Being aware of time is related to movement, time itself, not really? Ask a rock which is completely still. It isn't aware of time but certainly time passes.
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Being aware of time is related to movement, time itself, not really? Ask a rock which is completely still. It isn't aware of time but certainly time passes.
You didn't say "spacetime" you said time, don't go changing your mind. The original post I quoted is you said time didn't exist beyond our universe.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Not if nothing changes.
If there isn't time around something, there isn't existence. There can be a past present and future without being changing. Time is just seconds, minutes, etc passing. They still pass if something exists but does not change
More like 93.000000000000000000341... (i.e. 93 and a few billion billionths)
Considering I don't think we have the age of the universe down to the second, it's 93Gly to within the margin of error!
Cosmological acceptable error includes factor 10
We put a new meaning to the phrase "ballparking it."
PolyHedral is correct. You're talking about a meaningless concept. Time is entirely relational in the same way that space is: it's only defined by the relation between components of some configuration (or phase) space to one another. Given no relation between components (or given just one component) there is no time just as there is no space.
Here's a good analogy: sentences are relational emergences of words in the same way that spacetime is a relational emergence of matter. It doesn't make sense to speak of a sentence without words, nor does it make sense to speak of a sentence with only one word. The analogy works because we must look at the universe background independently to get any sense out of it (and because we're part of the system we're trying to describe).
Imagine that all that exists is a point, for instance: asking "where" the point is located is entirely meaningless if it's all that exists (there is nothing to relate it to); also if there is no change in time (e.g. nothing to relate to on a phase space) it's just as meaningless to ask "when" the point is.
Of course, things can be complicated by vacuum fluctuations and such; but Poly is fundamentally correct here.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
(Apart from "Go."
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How does anything exist without time? It'd be completely nonexistent, it's like having an object that has no height or an object without length.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Numbers don't have height or width. (or depth)
Numbers aren't real, their values are.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Is there a meaningful distinction?
outhouse
Atheistically
Values aren't really objects. I was referring how objects couldn't exist if there was no time.
(Apart from "Go."
Single-word commands still have a wider context from which to draw from; which wouldn't be the case in this analogy where there is nothing else to relate to
I knew you were going to say this...
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Values are perfectly well objects. You can do things to them, and they have behaviour.
Well, yes, but then all words need a wider context to draw from. Just because it isn't meaningful doesn't mean that "Go" isn't a grammatically valid sentence.Single-word commands still have a wider context from which to draw from; which wouldn't be the case in this analogy where there is nothing else to relate to
outhouse
Atheistically
time IS spacetime
Values are perfectly well objects. You can do things to them, and they have behaviour.
They are how much objects you have
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Time, as we know it, is an aspect of our space-time. Space-time is an attribute of our universe.. Theoretically, there could be other universes, but they may have a different type of space-time, or, possibly, something different altogether.