Infinite time and space.

[outhouse]

I have and found nothing, please copy and paste something that proves your point, or link something.

then why not keep looking instead of asking useless questions over and over after things have already been explained to you?


there is no proof, its not what science does. but you knew that already.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

then why not keep looking instead of asking useless questions over and over after things have already been explained to you?

How would you feel if a theist told you that if you were asking for evidence of God?

there is no proof, its not what science does. but you knew that already.

How about evidence? None of that either? Then why are you guys making assumptions?

 

[outhouse]

Then why are you guys making assumptions?

personally, I have only quoted common knolwedge.

you keep twisting things for no apparent reason.


Space and time is not infinite, we have stated we dont know what exist outside of it. You keep asking questions and for evidence outside of what is known. thats POE

 

[The Sum of Awe]

personally, I have only quoted common knolwedge.

you keep twisting things for no apparent reason.


Space and time is not infinite, we have stated we dont know what exist outside of it. You keep asking questions and for evidence outside of what is known. thats POE

You stated you knew time didn't exist outside of it, not that you do not know what is outside of it...

 

[PolyHedral]

If the universe has stopped changing state, in what way can time be said to exist?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If the universe has stopped changing state, in what way can time be said to exist?

That we are still aware

All things can be frozen but time still moves on. If not it's like saying just because nothing conscious exists in the universe then nothing exists

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If there is something in existence, then there is time.

It's likely that outside of space isn't pure nothing, but I'm not claiming that it isn't, I'm not claiming that it is.

It's not going to be like before you were born outside of the universe, otherwise we technically don't exist.

All the outside of the universe needs is empty space then there is time, it could have more or less

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why can't time exist without passing events though? Let's say no matter exists, just because nothing with mass is there, nothing is happening, doesn't mean there isn't time, just means there isn't time being recorded by a conscious being.

Yes, many aspects of physics can be quite counter-intuitive. This is why it is difficult to grasp the ramifications of physics by the lay person. Of course, not everything can be meaningfully understood by the lay person.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Okay, I'll be honest, you guys got me with the time not existing with the passing events...

But how are you so sure time doesn't exist outside of our universe? How are you sure there is absolute nothingness outside of the universe? Why would the universe be unique and not just a bunch of rocks and dust breaking apart and spreading away from each other?

Don't think I'm making the assumption there is something outside of the universe, which I think there is space (such as between the sun and Mercury) outside of the universe. But I'm not going to claim there is for sure, I'm open to your evidence/proof/or even just reasoning on why there can't be anything outside of the universe?

You guys seem so sure time does not exist outside of the universe, in fact outhouse made the claim as if it were an absolute fact. That is why I am asking for evidence or reason.

 

[fantome profane]

That we are still aware

All things can be frozen but time still moves on. If not it's like saying just because nothing conscious exists in the universe then nothing exists

How could we still be aware? I mean if everything stopped. Absolutely everything, big and small. The Earth stop turning, river stopped flowing, the wind stopped blowing. And also people stopped breathing, all biological processed stopped completely, no electron flow, no firing synapses, no chemical processes at all. If there was no change, even down to the subatomic level, there would be no time

 

[Photonic]

Okay, I'll be honest, you guys got me with the time not existing with the passing events...

But how are you so sure time doesn't exist outside of our universe? How are you sure there is absolute nothingness outside of the universe? Why would the universe be unique and not just a bunch of rocks and dust breaking apart and spreading away from each other?

Don't think I'm making the assumption there is something outside of the universe, which I think there is space (such as between the sun and Mercury) outside of the universe. But I'm not going to claim there is for sure, I'm open to your evidence/proof/or even just reasoning on why there can't be anything outside of the universe?

You guys seem so sure time does not exist outside of the universe, in fact outhouse made the claim as if it were an absolute fact. That is why I am asking for evidence or reason.

You may recall that I only said what we understand as time did not exist, we have no way of quantifying what could be considered time prior to the big bang. Perhaps in the future something may be revealed that allows us too.

Let me help you wrap your head around understanding this.

Suppose you go to sleep. It was a dreamless sleep so you wake up and it seems like the time you went to sleep and the time you woke up are almost simultaneous, because you have absolutely no sense of time.

Now imagine if you will that state between waking and sleeping the entirety of everything underwent critical existence failure. You would have absolutely no way of quantifying the amount of time that passed while you slept. In fact, there is no way you could say time passed at all. Nothing was there to measure or give a frame of reference.

It's similar to that.

 

[shawn001]

How is that math even relevant to why time prior to the big bang you end up with undefined results? Explain a litte.

No, I do not believe in the multiverse hypothesis

Can you explain what a 3(+)-space is?

"No, I do not believe in the multiverse hypothesis"

If you believe there is space-time outside this universe you do.

As Photonic pointed out, Empty space in a vaccuum is not empty.

Virtual Particles pop in and out of existence all the time.

THE FABRIC OF THE COSMOS: THE ILLUSION OF TIME

Time. We waste it, save it, kill it, make it. The world runs on it. Yet ask physicists what time actually is, and the answer might shock you: They have no idea. Even more surprising, the deep sense we have of time passing from present to past may be nothing more than an illusion. How can our understanding of something so familiar be so wrong? In search of answers, Brian Greene takes us on the ultimate time-traveling adventure, hurtling 50 years into the future before stepping into a wormhole to travel back to the past. Along the way, he will reveal a new way of thinking about time in which moments past, present, and future—from the reign of T. rex to the birth of your great-great-grandchildren—exist all at once. This journey will bring us all the way back to the Big Bang, where physicists think the ultimate secrets of time may be hidden. You'll never look at your wristwatch the same way again.

[youtube]Rp3_cPRQSh0[/youtube]
THE FABRIC OF THE COSMOS: THE ILLUSION OF TIME - YouTube



The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space?
Surprising clues indicate that space is very much something and not nothing.

The Fabric of the Cosmos

Acclaimed physicist Brian Greene reveals a mind-boggling reality beneath the surface of our everyday world

[youtube]wy9gXKwRpXc[/youtube]
The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space? - YouTube


"In cosmology, the concept of spacetime combines space and time to a single abstract universe. Mathematically it is a manifold consisting of "events" which are described by some type of coordinate system. Typically three spatial dimensions (length, width, height), and one temporal dimension (time) are required. Dimensions are independent components of a coordinate grid needed to locate a point in a certain defined "space". For example, on the globe the latitude and longitude are two independent coordinates which together uniquely determine a location. In spacetime, a coordinate grid that spans the 3+1 dimensions locates events (rather than just points in space), i.e. time is added as another dimension to the coordinate grid. This way the coordinates specify where and when events occur."

Spacetime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[shawn001]

Time is actually different at your feet then your head, due to gravity.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

How could we still be aware? I mean if everything stopped. Absolutely everything, big and small. The Earth stop turning, river stopped flowing, the wind stopped blowing. And also people stopped breathing, all biological processed stopped completely, no electron flow, no firing synapses, no chemical processes at all. If there was no change, even down to the subatomic level, there would be no time

Why do you think that is outside of the universe?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You may recall that I only said what we understand as time did not exist, we have no way of quantifying what could be considered time prior to the big bang. Perhaps in the future something may be revealed that allows us too.

Let me help you wrap your head around understanding this.

Suppose you go to sleep. It was a dreamless sleep so you wake up and it seems like the time you went to sleep and the time you woke up are almost simultaneous, because you have absolutely no sense of time.

Now imagine if you will that state between waking and sleeping the entirety of everything underwent critical existence failure. You would have absolutely no way of quantifying the amount of time that passed while you slept. In fact, there is no way you could say time passed at all. Nothing was there to measure or give a frame of reference.

It's similar to that.

Sure we can't measure the time between when I fell asleep and when I woke up, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist at all.

What do you mean by "time as we understand it"? Time is time.

 

[outhouse]

But how are you so sure time doesn't exist outside of our universe?

Time can but its not our time. time as we know it is spacetime, spacetime was created after the big bang.

if there was or is another universe, it will have its own spacetime.



Like I said from the start, because we dont know doesnt mean you let your imagination run wild with our spacetime. that exist no where else but in our universe.

 

[outhouse]

here is where your losing it.

time is related to movement, period.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

"No, I do not believe in the multiverse hypothesis"

If you believe there is space-time outside this universe you do.

No, I don't, I just see the universe as nothing but rocks spreading apart in empty space.

As Photonic pointed out, Empty space in a vaccuum is not empty.

"Empty space" is empty otherwise you are misunderstanding the word 'empty'

THE FABRIC OF THE COSMOS: THE ILLUSION OF TIME

Time. We waste it, save it, kill it, make it. The world runs on it. Yet ask physicists what time actually is, and the answer might shock you: They have no idea. Even more surprising, the deep sense we have of time passing from present to past may be nothing more than an illusion. How can our understanding of something so familiar be so wrong? In search of answers, Brian Greene takes us on the ultimate time-traveling adventure, hurtling 50 years into the future before stepping into a wormhole to travel back to the past. Along the way, he will reveal a new way of thinking about time in which moments past, present, and future—from the reign of T. rex to the birth of your great-great-grandchildren—exist all at once. This journey will bring us all the way back to the Big Bang, where physicists think the ultimate secrets of time may be hidden. You'll never look at your wristwatch the same way again.

[youtube]Rp3_cPRQSh0[/youtube]
THE FABRIC OF THE COSMOS: THE ILLUSION OF TIME - YouTube



The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space?
Surprising clues indicate that space is very much something and not nothing.

The Fabric of the Cosmos

Acclaimed physicist Brian Greene reveals a mind-boggling reality beneath the surface of our everyday world

[youtube]wy9gXKwRpXc[/youtube]
The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space? - YouTube


"In cosmology, the concept of spacetime combines space and time to a single abstract universe. Mathematically it is a manifold consisting of "events" which are described by some type of coordinate system. Typically three spatial dimensions (length, width, height), and one temporal dimension (time) are required. Dimensions are independent components of a coordinate grid needed to locate a point in a certain defined "space". For example, on the globe the latitude and longitude are two independent coordinates which together uniquely determine a location. In spacetime, a coordinate grid that spans the 3+1 dimensions locates events (rather than just points in space), i.e. time is added as another dimension to the coordinate grid. This way the coordinates specify where and when events occur."

Spacetime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cool, wikipedia says it. But I'm wondering why you even think there isn't a where outside of the universe?

 

[PolyHedral]

here is where your losing it.

time is related to movement, period.

Sort of. Time is related to change, but that doesn't necessarily imply movement.

 

[outhouse]

Sort of. Time is related to change, but that doesn't necessarily imply movement.

understood, just trying to get awe in the right frame of mind


I do thank you for that, If i screw up I do enjoy being corrected so I dont keep making the mistake over and over again