Infinite time and space.

[Photonic]

Why is that important? And yes.

You are arguing that it is an intuitive property, so it doesn't make sense to you, but physics doesn't always run parallel to traditional reasoning.

I know you are trying to make sense of it but some things really don't make traditional sense.

 

[PolyHedral]

Yes I've considered that especially if time is not linear.

Time is very, very much non-linear. At the large scale, gravity and velocity slow down time (end result being that you can rearrange events into any order you like under some conditions) and at the small scale, you basically end up throwing time out the window due to quantum wibblyness.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You are arguing that it is an intuitive property, so it doesn't make sense to you, but physics doesn't always run parallel to traditional reasoning.

I know you are trying to make sense of it but some things really don't make traditional sense.

He said it'd be hard and complicated to explain, I don't care let it be, I'll keep reading and googling if I have to until I understand it.

 

[Photonic]

He said it'd be hard and complicated to explain, I don't care let it be, I'll keep reading and googling if I have to until I understand it.

I absolutely encourage such an undertaking.

Have a visit to arxiv.org when you have a chance.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I absolutely encourage such an undertaking.

Have a visit to arxiv.org when you have a chance.

Undertaking? What?

 

[PolyHedral]

Undertaking? What?

I hope nobody gave you the impression that cosmology was simple.

Good luck.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I hope nobody gave you the impression that cosmology was simple.

Good luck.

Doesn't matter, just give me the reasons, you guys keep skirting around it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Waiting :namaste

 

[fantome profane]

Why do you think that is outside of the universe?

Never said it was.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Never said it was.

So why are you assuming time does not exist out of the universe (assuming you agree with these guys)

 

[fantome profane]

So why are you assuming time does not exist out of the universe (assuming you agree with these guys)

Don't assume. I'm not.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Don't assume. I'm not.

Gotcha

 

[muhammad_isa]

Time is relative which is why the term space-time came about. Time is relative to the motion and speed of objects. If time were fixed, like we thought before Einstein, then it would be much easier to deal with.

This is absolutely correct .. time only "appears" to be fixed .. it's only a perception.
If you think about it, though, time doesn't always seem to pass at the "same speed" .. it all depends on what we're doing at the time .. hmmmm, too many occurences of "time" in this sentence

 

[PolyHedral]

(Fortunately, distance in spacetime is invariant and not relative at all.)

 

[muhammad_isa]

(Fortunately, distance in spacetime is invariant and not relative at all.)

That's quite amusing

What about this --> BIPM - definition of the metre

Distance might or might not be absolute, but the definition of a metre has changed many times

The currrent def. even involves the speed of light

 

[idav]

(Fortunately, distance in spacetime is invariant and not relative at all.)

That is until someone learns how to fold it.

 

[Photonic]

That is until someone learns how to fold it.

That would require a reshaping of how we define distance.

 

[Meow Mix]

They make the name of the number, the shape, etc. But discover the value.

Indeed, and?

Shapes were discovered, values of numbers (not numbers themselves) were discovered, etc. That's what I meant.

Numbers aren't just values. Values are measurements, and there doesn't have to be anything to measure in order for numbers to be real.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Numbers aren't just values. Values are measurements, and there doesn't have to be anything to measure in order for numbers to be real.

Then how are numbers real (aside from their values)

 

[Photonic]

Then how are numbers real (aside from their values)

Found a quote I think fits you nicely.

"1500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you knew that people were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow"
- Agent K