Is Christianity the religion of idolatry?

[Estro Felino]

I hear people make this statement often.
What does it actually mean to "worship money"?

Does this example suffice to you?

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In Brussels it takes less time to list those who don't worship money...

It seems like it is one of those things that people say, but which actually doesn't mean anything considering the actual meaning of the word "worship".

I can provide you with hundreds of similar examples. ^
In the morning I have nausea...so I prefer not to throw up.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Does this example suffice to you?

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No, that doesn't suffice to me.
I still don't know what it means to "worship" money.

The other day there was a scandal in a soccer club where certain people were gifted a Rolex to facilitate the transfer of a player.
So do those people then "worship" wrist watches?


In another instance some girl slept with a record producer to get him to sign her for an album. Does that record producer now "worship" sex?

Are any of these examples comparable with theists who "worship" their god?

I think you're being a bit loose with word "worship".

 

[Viker]

In my opinion, everything is idolatry. Temples, crosses, symbols, words, etc.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, that doesn't suffice to me.
I still don't know what it means to "worship" money.

Excuse me, dear.
Why did they accept all that money?
The protagonists of the QatarGate?

I mean, their job is to be loyal to the European Union, to European interests. Not to Qatar.

Give me an alternative justification.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Excuse me, dear.
Why did they accept all that money?
The protagonists of the QatarGate?

I mean, their job is to be loyal to the European Union, to European interests. Not to Qatar.

Give me an alternative justification.

Don't see why it matters to the question you were asked.

 

[Estro Felino]

In my opinion, everything is idolatry. Temples, crosses, symbols, words, etc.

Exactly.
But worshiping a good thing or a good person is different than worshiping things that are considered evil.

 

[Estro Felino]

Don't see why it matters to the question you were asked.

Worshipping money means to do anything to obtain it.
To sacrifice honor, a career, and sometimes even the soul to obtain it.

 

[Viker]

Exactly.
But worshiping a good thing or a good person is different than worshiping things that are considered evil.

It's a matter of perspective, things that are considered good or evil.

 

[David1967]

My point was: is that what makes Christianity an idolatrous religion?

Because all Christians consider Mary Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is the Second part of the Holy Trinity, God.

But, not all Christian sects are Trinidadian. For example, Jehovas Witnesses and united Pentacostals, to name a couple. To your question though? No, I do not believe that Christianity is idolatrous.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a matter of perspective, things that are considered good or evil.

Why don't you define them?

I define good as the principle that pushes people to make others happy.
I define evil as the principle that pushes people to destroy others and their lives. And make them unhappy.

Your turn.

 

[Viker]

Why don't you define them?

I define good as the principle that pushes people to make others happy.
I define evil as the principle that pushes people to destroy others and their lives. And make them unhappy.

Your turn.

That's fair enough for right now.

Your religion has been evil to me. Mine has been good to me.

See how perspective works?

 

[Estro Felino]

That's fair enough for right now.

Your religion has been evil to me. Mine has been good to me.

See how perspective works?

If you don't explain me what good and evil are to you, I cannot understand what you mean.
I can't read your mind.
I don't have a crystal ball either.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Worshipping money means to do anything to obtain it.

So how does accepting a bribe amount to "would do anything"?


A poor starving person struggling to feed his family would also likely be prepared to do a lot worse then accepting a bribe to obtain money to buy food for his starving children.

Does that mean said poor starving person also "worships" money?

Sounds like you didn't think this through at all.
Sounds like I was right. It's just one of those things that people say, but which actually don't mean much.

 

[Estro Felino]

So how does accepting a bribe amount to "would do anything"?

They could have also said no.
Why did they say yes?
Will you answer my questions?

A poor starving person struggling to feed his family would also likely be prepared to do a lot worse then accepting a bribe to obtain money to buy food for his starving children.

Cher monsieur, a MEP gains 10,000 euros a month.
What do they need the extra-money for?
They are not starving, for sure.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They could have also said no.
Why did they say yes?
Will you answer my questions?

Your questions aren't relevant to what it means to "worship money"
You just defined it as doing ANYTHING to obtain money and then gave an example of someone accepting a bribe.
That by no means implies this person would do ANYTHING for money. It only means they would accept a bribe in the specific circumstance of the example.
It for example doesn't mean they'ld deal drugs, commit murder, rape someone,... all of which would be included in "anything".

So your words don't match your example.

Cher monsieur, a MEP gains 10,000 euros a month.
What do they need the extra-money for?
They are not starving, for sure.

So?

You just said "someone that would do ANYTHING" for money and your example was accepting a bribe.
I then told you that other people in other cirumstance would do a lot worse and a lot more then merely accepting a bribe.
But somehow then it's not "worshipping money" but when an MEP accepts a bribe, it is?

So either your example is a bad example OR there is something seriously wrong with your definition.
Can't have it both ways.

My guess though... is that you don't have a proper definition for "worshipping money" and it is indeed just bluster that is pretty meaningless in and of itself. While at the same time, you will jump on any opportunity to spew your anti-EU beliefs.

 

[Estro Felino]

Your questions aren't relevant to what it means to "worship money"
You just defined it as doing ANYTHING to obtain money and then gave an example of someone accepting a bribe.
That by no means implies this person would do ANYTHING for money. It only means they would accept a bribe in the specific circumstance of the example.
It for example doesn't mean they'ld deal drugs, commit murder, rape someone,... all of which would be included in "anything".

So your words don't match your example.


So?

You just said "someone that would do ANYTHING" for money and your example was accepting a bribe.
I then told you that other people in other cirumstance would do a lot worse and a lot more then merely accepting a bribe.
But somehow then it's not "worshipping money" but when an MEP accepts a bribe, it is?

So either your example is a bad example OR there is something seriously wrong with your definition.
Can't have it both ways.

My guess though... is that you don't have a proper definition for "worshipping money" and it is indeed just bluster that is pretty meaningless in and of itself. While at the same time, you will jump on any opportunity to spew your anti-EU beliefs.

If Satan appeared to you and asked you for your soul, giving you 20 billion dollars as payment...
would you accept?

 

[ppp]

If Satan appeared to you and asked you for your soul, giving you 20 billion dollars as payment...
would you accept?

How would he know it's Satan? And not just some one with advanced technology and a Satan suit?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If Satan appeared to you and asked you for your soul, giving you 20 billion dollars as payment...
would you accept?

I sure would. Free money.
I'ld ask the delusional dude if he also wants to buy my undetectable pet dragon for another 5 billion.


Now, any time you wish to get back to topic and fix your definition.
Not holding my breath though.

 

[Estro Felino]

I sure would. Free money.
I'ld ask the delusional dude if he also wants to buy my undetectable pet dragon for another 5 billion.


Now, any time you wish to get back to topic and fix your definition.
Not holding my breath though.

If I ask you questions, you won't answer.
A respectful debate is based upon mutuality.

Not that you are the superior part that interrogates me.
Bonne soirée.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If I ask you questions, you won't answer.

You answer questions with other (irrelevant) questions. That is the issue.

A respectful debate is based upon mutuality.

Irony

Not that you are the superior part that interrogates me.

You made a claim and I asked for clarification.
Instead of claryfing, you go on to spew your anti-eu rethoric and define things in ways that are self-contradicting by your own anti-eu examples.

Give me a break.