Is ISIS a disaster for all muslims?

[outhouse]

:clap

I do understand how muslims would want a genocidal tyrant to remain in power. And then clap over it.


What's your excuse?

 

[YmirGF]

You can still build mosques in Italy. Comparing the Vatican with Saudi Arabia is a joke, comparing the Vatican with Mecca is more apt.

I agree. It would be incredibly silly to propose building another religious site in the heart of the Islamic world. Almost as silly as proposing building a mosque in the tiny Vatican, and almost as mean spirited as building a mosque on the ruins of another religions holiest site.

 

[beenie]

I don't think the Americans and allies should have set foot in Iraq in the first place. There were no WMDs in Iraq, and there were no terrorists like al-Qaeda in Iraq while Saddam Huessein was in power.

I dislike Hussein a lot, because he was a butcher of his own people, but at the very least, he kept the al-Qaeda out of Iraq, because he doesn't trust them and he didn't want to share power with dangerous enemies, like bin Laden and his gang.

Thet US-led invasion in Iraq and the removal of a dictator, had caused a power vacuum, only caused more problems than keeping the dictator in power. The sectarian violences escalated between Shiites and Sunni, all leaders and political factions were corrupted and governing the country were ineffective, and terrorists that weren't in Iraq before, roaming freely, and killing at will, leave the allies stuck in this land for over a decade, trying to fix something that apparent can't be fixed.

And now a new form of terrorists have come and killing civilians, and the current leader and government can't do anything about it.

Sorry, Chev, but George Bush Junior, left a terrible mess in Iraq, because of his incompetent strategy, and holding old grudges against Saddam. Bush shouldn't have fought another war, when nothing had been resolved Afghanistan and the al-Qaeda were still operating during his 2 terms in office. Bush didn't fix anything, the freedom you think the US has won for the Iraqis was nothing but mirage of his delusion.

And worse still, Bush completely and moronic disband the entire Iraqi police and armed forces, allowing lawlessness run ramparts for weeks and the terrorists could cross into Iraq freely. By the time, he tried to recruit the Iraqis again, the damages have already been done. He and his military advisors were complete morons.

And his two wars nearly brought his own country to its knees with bankruptcy and mismanagement of his administration, which Obama still have to fix.

:clap

I do understand how muslims would want a genocidal tyrant to remain in power. And then clap over it.


What's your excuse?

I don't think TashaN is clapping about leaving Saddam in power; the rest of gnostic's post was spot-on, and my guess is that's what he (and I) are clapping about. I think we all agree that Saddam needed to be eliminated from power.

"Dubya" went into Iraq to avenge what his father couldn't finish, plain and simple. Then we pulled out and left lunatics to run amuck, a demolished economy, rubbled land... and we wonder why all of these horrendous terrorist cells of have formed?

 

[Nakosis]

I do understand how muslims would want a genocidal tyrant to remain in power. And then clap over it.


What's your excuse?

Apparently we didn't really fix anything. It was naive to think we could. Take out one genocidal tyrant at great cost and another soon takes their place?

I don't think we know what we are doing well enough to make these choices for the rest of the world.

Whatever decisions are made or not made, people are going to get hurt. So by what do you justify your choices?

 

[YmirGF]

"Dubya" went into Iraq to avenge what his father couldn't finish, plain and simple. Then we pulled out and left lunatics to run amuck, a demolished economy, rubbled land... and we wonder why all of these horrendous terrorist cells of have formed?

Pretty much, ssainhu. Bush started a war to finish off what his father started. Obama made things worse by pulling out of the china shop after all the china had been broken. The events happening now shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[outhouse]

the rest of gnostic's post was spot-on, and my guess is that's what he (and I) are clapping about. I think we all agree that Saddam needed to be eliminated from power.

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I would hope so.

I don't think the Americans and allies should have set foot in Iraq in the first place.

Is what I had issues with.

 

[outhouse]

Apparently we didn't really fix anything. It was naive to think we could. Take out one genocidal tyrant at great cost and another soon takes their place?

I don't think we know what we are doing well enough to make these choices for the rest of the world.

Money runs the world, when they want bailed out, they use us as muscle.

Whatever decisions are made or not made, people are going to get hurt. So by what do you justify your choices?

Lets stay in context.

Saddam had to go, he was genocidal

 

[Nakosis]

Pretty much, ssainhu. Bush started a war to finish off what his father started. Obama made things worse by pulling out of the china shop after all the china had been broken. The events happening now shouldn't surprise anyone.

Bush convinced the majority of America that his actions were just.

Personally I think Jesus advised people to stay out of politics. Something I fail miserably at. There are no winners in politics.

 

[outhouse]

Bush convinced the majority of America that his actions were just.

The dog and pony show.

Saddam had to go, and what other reasons I could care less.


As a member of the general public, we will never know the hidden or real reasons behind war.

Personally I think Jesus advised people to stay out of politics.

Im just the opposite.

Jesus was all about politics and died for politics. Fighting the corrupt government was viewed as a heroic action. Enough so he was deified for it.

Something I fail miserably at. There are no winners in politics.

Agreed.


Sucks people cannot play nice together.

 

[TashaN]

I don't think TashaN is clapping about leaving Saddam in power; the rest of gnostic's post was spot-on, and my guess is that's what he (and I) are clapping about. I think we all agree that Saddam needed to be eliminated from power.

"Dubya" went into Iraq to avenge what his father couldn't finish, plain and simple. Then we pulled out and left lunatics to run amuck, a demolished economy, rubbled land... and we wonder why all of these horrendous terrorist cells of have formed?

Another well deserved clap. :clap

 

[outhouse]

Then we pulled out and left lunatics to run amuck, a demolished economy, rubbled land... and we wonder why all of these horrendous terrorist cells of have formed?

Has anyone since then murdered hundreds of thousands of people?


Has anyone else caused natural disasters that equal his lighting all the oil rigs on fire?


Ugly but true, he had to go. Later cost? sure as expected. Which evil had a better global outcome?

 

[Nakosis]

Money runs the world, when they want bailed out, they use us as muscle.

Lets stay in context.

Saddam had to go, he was genocidal

Saddam was tried for the death of 50,000 Kurds. The war in Iraq, 195,000 died.

The death of 50,000 is not justified. The death of 195,000 is.

Or since Saddam kill 50,000, it's ok for another 195,000 to die because of it.

Are we ever going to stop justifying the killing of People?

You believe the death of 195,000 was worth stopping Saddam, ok. Saddam felt justified killing his 50,000.

So the world is now a better place?

 

[outhouse]

Saddam was tried for the death of 50,000 Kurds. The war in Iraq, 195,000 died.

The death of 50,000 is not justified. The death of 195,000 is.

Or since Saddam kill 50,000, it's ok for another 195,000 to die because of it.

Are we ever going to stop justifying the killing of People?

You believe the death of 195,000 was worth stopping Saddam, ok. Saddam felt justified killing his 50,000.

So the world is now a better place?

He killed almost 200,000 around 89 ish

 

[TashaN]

He killed almost 200,000 around 89 ish

So two wrongs make a right? Great!

 

[FearGod]

The ISIS cancelled many subjects in schools including religion,when i was in school i used to ask myself what those subjects useful for.


ISIS Issues Official Curriculum: Bans Music, Sports, Art, History …And Weed



ISIS Issues Official Curriculum: Bans Music, Sports, Art, History …And Weed | The Gateway Pundit

 

[outhouse]

So two wrongs make a right? Great!

There's more to it then meets the eye.

A genocidal dictator who screwed with oil wells, which caused global powers to want him out. We were just the police men coming in and doing a job.


You are no judge of right or wrong. You have proven that to me by your denial of credible history.

 

[gnostic]

They should have killed Saddam or removed Saddam from power in the 1st Gulf War.

I don't think there was any justification to going to war against the 2nd time. Bush junior was supposed to get rid of al-Qaeda, which he didn't do; instead he originally went to war against the Iraqi dictator based on faulty intelligence about WMDs.

The 2 wars waged by Bush junior ruined the US economy. This is why the Obama administration is reluctant to go to war against Syria, or send troops back to Iraq to deal with ISIS. And the American public are generally sick of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[outhouse]

They should have killed Saddam or removed Saddam from power in the 1st Gulf War.

I don't think there was any justification to going to war against the 2nd time. Bush junior was supposed to get rid of al-Qaeda, which he didn't do; instead he originally went to war against the Iraqi dictator based on faulty intelligence about WMDs.

The 2 wars waged by Bush junior ruined the US economy. This is why the Obama administration is reluctant to go to war against Syria, or send troops back to Iraq to deal with ISIS. And the American public are generally sick of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There are back door reasons the public will never know about. Its not a conspiracy of any kind, its just national and global security is not a public issue period.


Its a chess game, and the public cannot see the board, or the pieces.


I don't like it any more then you, it is just the reality here.

 

[steeltoes]

I watch the news and see ISIS being demonized, as if their evil is somehow much worse than western evil. Killing over resources is killing no matter who is doing it, but don't tell that to the consumers of western nations, they like to feel they are better.

 

[gnostic]

I do understand how muslims would want a genocidal tyrant to remain in power. And then clap over it.

Outhouse. I don't like Saddam anymore than anyone else liking tyrant like him.

But you got to admit, that the strategy of Bush and his military advisers were utterly incompetent, and caused more damages to the Iraqi people, and the world economy, as well as his own country.

Bush had a grudge with Saddam that had nothing to do with al-Qaeda and Bin Laden, which he was supposed to get rid of. He turned his attention away from them and the Talibans in Afghanistan and Pakistan, thereby letting the Talibans and al-Qaeda to regroup.

We have been stuck in Iraq for 10 years (or is that 11?), and achieve very little. And is all about to be undone, because Bush couldn't control himself. His victory speech was premature, because more Americans died after the supposed victory than before.

Saddam may have been bloodthirsty tyrant who only care about his own power, Bush is a utter moron with this cowboy mentality, who delusionally think he is a sheriff of the entire world...and fricking Blair and Howard thought they were his deputies.