Is Islam Compatible With Western Values?

[paarsurrey]

So, you think that the response of an individual, whose qualifications, if any, are unknown, in the comments section on the Pew Research website constitutes an accurate and authoritative statement?
Do the responsible adults in your household know that you're playing on the internet?

There is no need to worry for one from the Judaism people. They are not even in the competition. They are decreasing in numbers day by day. Right?

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[LuisDantas]

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There is no need to worry for one from the Judaism people. They are not even in the competition. They are decreasing in numbers day by day. Right?
Also at friend Rival
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Why woud this be indicate "no need to worry"?

 

[paarsurrey]

Sorry, please.
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[Corthos]

There is no need to worry for one from the Judaism people. They are not even in the competition. They are decreasing in numbers day by day. Right?

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Did... Did you just try to dismiss what he had to say because he's a Jew? XD

 

[Sees]

There is no need to worry for one from the Judaism people. They are not even in the competition. They are decreasing in numbers day by day. Right?

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You have spent so much time challenging the Judaism people's religion on here that is hard for me to take this serious. It indicates worry, one way or the other.

Would you say the same thing about the Christianity people?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Islam Compatible With Western Values?

Yes, there is no big problem. Muslims all over the world face no problem in this regard and live happily in every state/country of the world.
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[YmirGF]

Is Islam Compatible With Western Values?

Yes, there is no big problem. Muslims all over the world face no problem in this regard and live happily in every state/country of the world.
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Yeah, Muslims are world famous for their support of Abortion, Gay rights and Women's equality, not forgetting their incredible scientific discoveries over the past few decades and their strict compliance with democratic principles. Likewise, their support of Evolution is a real breath of fresh air.... hmmm.... wait a sec... that doesn't sound right....

 

[paarsurrey]

Well that's one way of running a country, but that's not Sharia.

If a country in the west has to enact a specific peace of law from "Sharia" or from Quran, they could pass a bill to that effect in the parliament as per procedure and as per constitution of the country.
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[Kirran]

I think it's eminently reasonable to include full rights, respect and acceptance for gay, bisexual, transgender etc people under 'Western values', as well as freedom of speech (even to the point of insulting, although not to inciting violence). Additionally, it would be in line with Western secularism for people to expect not to have their government profess any particular religion, even if that religion was in the majority, and for people to expect people to marry as they choose to, regardless of religious affiliation.

The Quilliam Foundation is working pretty hard to promote these values within Muslim communities, too, against a lot of resistance. Good on them.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If a country in the west has to enact a specific peace of law from "Sharia" or from Quran, they could pass a bill to that effect in the parliament as per procedure and as per constitution of the country.
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Unless, of course, there already exists legislation which would prevent the passing of religious laws or establishment of religious governance such as - in the case of the United States - the First Amendment to the Constitution; or laws with which Islamic religious laws would come into conflict such as legislation protecting freedom of speech or freedom of (and from) religion - including the freedom to change one's religious affiliation.

 

[skl]

No worries about pessimism--somebody's got to think about the other possibilities. I'm just suggesting that the current appeal of the founding times is linked tightly with the sense of oppression many Muslims (and in fact, others in other areas of the globe) feel about Western culture, which has imposed itself around the globe for the last ~500 years at the expense of those peoples and cultures. I think it's natural for people to cast back to "better" times of their culture--but when they finally get out of the oppression, I think they will start looking ahead again, or looking fondly back on some things that the oppressors brought that were nice to have...

I believe you have not identified the cultural and political differences between Christianity and Islam. Muslims by definition are Islamic and they take it to a much higher level of dedication than most Christians do. Compared to many if not most Christians who go to church on Sunday morning Muslim worship is far more intense and serious, basically because it is a complete and relatively a compulsory life style. This is due to all the politics, state and religious laws they live under being guided solely by the Quran.

They do not look ahead or with interest or “fondly” at anything that does not abide by the laws of their people written into the Quran.

Most Muslims have been living with only minor changes to traditional life from the time of Muhammad and this is evident through enforced Sharia law and traditional processes and it appears quite obvious that they do not want to change that situation very soon no matter where they live.

 

[Kirran]

I believe you have not identified the cultural and political differences between Christianity and Islam. Muslims by definition are Islamic and they take it to a much higher level of dedication than most Christians do. Compared to many if not most Christians who go to church on Sunday morning Muslim worship is far more intense and serious, basically because it is a complete and relatively a compulsory life style. This is due to all the politics, state and religious laws they live under being guided solely by the Quran.

They do not look ahead or with interest or “fondly” at anything that does not abide by the laws of their people written into the Quran.

Most Muslims have been living with only minor changes to traditional life from the time of Muhammad and this is evident through enforced Sharia law and traditional processes and it appears quite obvious that they do not want to change that situation very soon no matter where they live.

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/

http://www.mpvusa.org/

 

[Kirran]

There is no need to worry for one from the Judaism people. They are not even in the competition. They are decreasing in numbers day by day. Right?

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I honestly think this is one of the most disrespectful things I have ever seen written on RF.

 

[skl]

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/

http://www.mpvusa.org/

These organisations are a great start and as long as they continue they will resonate with younger and more impressionable Muslims with greater results as the decades go by and the ancient committed devout Islamic Muslim ways are slowly eroded.

Unfortunately, this will not make any real impact for decades or even centuries and the rest of the world will still have to suffer the consequences of releasing this beast from its cage.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe you have not identified the cultural and political differences between Christianity and Islam. Muslims by definition are Islamic and they take it to a much higher level of dedication than most Christians do. Compared to many if not most Christians who go to church on Sunday morning Muslim worship is far more intense and serious, basically because it is a complete and relatively a compulsory life style. This is due to all the politics, state and religious laws they live under being guided solely by the Quran.
They do not look ahead or with interest or “fondly” at anything that does not abide by the laws of their people written into the Quran.
Most Muslims have been living with only minor changes to traditional life from the time of Muhammad and this is evident through enforced Sharia law and traditional processes and it appears quite obvious that they do not want to change that situation very soon no matter where they live.

As I stated earlier, with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Reformation of Islam has already started and it is in full swing in-spite of all the odds it has to face. The reformed Islam under the name of peaceful Ahmadiyya True Islam is going to spread to the nook and corners of the world in three hundred years from 1908, the year of demise of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It should alley all the fears of people in the West.
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[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
If a country in the west has to enact a specific peace of law from "Sharia" or from Quran, they could pass a bill to that effect in the parliament as per procedure and as per constitution of the country.
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Unless, of course, there already exists legislation which would prevent the passing of religious laws or establishment of religious governance such as - in the case of the United States - the First Amendment to the Constitution; or laws with which Islamic religious laws would come into conflict such as legislation protecting freedom of speech or freedom of (and from) religion - including the freedom to change one's religious affiliation.

If there would be a conflict, then the enactment won't be made and there won't be any change. This should allay all the uncalled for fears in the West. Right?
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[The Emperor of Mankind]

paarsurrey said: ↑
If a country in the west has to enact a specific peace of law from "Sharia" or from Quran, they could pass a bill to that effect in the parliament as per procedure and as per constitution of the country.
Regards

If there would be a conflict, then the enactment won't be made and there won't be any change. This should allay all the uncalled for fears in the West. Right?
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In an ideal world that would be the case. Sadly in America they have a situation where entrenched religious privilege is given priority over the Constitution. Religious-based oaths of office for public officials are illegal yet they're tolerated; religious organisations are allowed to influence law-making in clear violation of the First Amendment etc. Realistically speaking, the situation in America and elsewhere isn't so clear-cut as people such as myself would like it to be.

It might interest you to know that England & Wales had blasphemy laws until as recently as 2008; Scotland hasn't ever repealed them but so much time has passed since someone was last convicted under them that they're repealed in all but name (plus freedom of speech as protected by the Human Rights Act tends to trump blasphemy laws); and Northern Ireland still has blasphemy laws in place.

 

[Kirran]

As I stated earlier, with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Reformation of Islam has already started and it is in full swing in-spite of all the odds it has to face. The reformed Islam under the name of peaceful Ahmadiyya True Islam is going to spread to the nook and corners of the world in three hundred years from 1908, the year of demise of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It should alley all the fears of people in the West.
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Well, does the Ahmadiyya movement support full equality for gay people including the right to marry, support interfaith marriage, hold to inclusivist ideas? If yes, then I expect you're right, but if it opposes these things then the fears of 'the West' will not be entirely put to resr.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't think Islam wants anything to do with Western values, and this is where the problem is, hate for others who love their freedom.

 

[paarsurrey]

In an ideal world that would be the case. Sadly in America they have a situation where entrenched religious privilege is given priority over the Constitution. Religious-based oaths of office for public officials are illegal yet they're tolerated; religious organisations are allowed to influence law-making in clear violation of the First Amendment etc. Realistically speaking, the situation in America and elsewhere isn't so clear-cut as people such as myself would like it to be.
It might interest you to know that England & Wales had blasphemy laws until as recently as 2008; Scotland hasn't ever repealed them but so much time has passed since someone was last convicted under them that they're repealed in all but name (plus freedom of speech as protected by the Human Rights Act tends to trump blasphemy laws); and Northern Ireland still has blasphemy laws in place.

That position is viz-a-viz Christianity, as these countries historically ascribe to Christianity and the respective laws were made long time ago. Ahmadiyya truthful Islam would be a recent thing.
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