Is Islam "untrue"?

[FearGod]

Wrong. Mythology is the highest level of literature attainable. It means that the story has transcendet fiction and become alive, beyond the dual concepts of true or false.

Myth : an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.

Reference : Myth | Define Myth at Dictionary.com

Wasn't referring to the expanding universe, which hasn't been demonstrated in the Qur'an, yet. The verse you provided is far too vague. Even if it were referring to an expanding universe, I would not put it past the Alexandrian Ubergeeks to have figured it out on their own with their primitive instruments (though it would have been quite the engineering feet to not only create such a device, but make something that would have been lost in the fire).

Besides, I still haven't heard any adequate refutation that it wasn't a demon, an alfar, reporting all this.

Those verses are signs for the believers and not for the disbelievers,it is just as a gesture,but for the disbelievers whatever signs presented it will be rejected automatically by them.

If you call them to guidance they will not follow you; equal it is to you whether you call them, or whether you are silent. (7:193)

As for the unbelievers, alike it is to them whether thou hast warned them or hast not warned them, they do not believe. (2:6)

 

[Thoughts]

Awesome, I love claims about the material world that are objectively examinable.

Questions;
1. Where does it say about underground mountains in the Qur'an?
2. Where are these underground mountains you refer to?
3. Why couldn't ancient cave explorers or miners have known about them?

In Australia in the Jenolan caves, there is an Aboriginal skeleton in the "Pool of Cerberus" cave. From memory when I went on the tour the guide stated that the skeleton is 10,000 years old (obviously much earlier than the life of the Prophet Muhammad).

The skeleton is reffered to on this website under the "Pool of Cerberus" section;

Jenolan Caves

The Grimes Cave mine existed 1900BC possibly earlier, whilst the Lion Cave in Swaziland is carbon dated to 41,000 BC;
Mining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Grimes Graves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Swaziland National Trust Commission - Cultural Resources - Malolotja Archaeology, Lion Cavern

I want to ask same question also

In case Quran mentioned it


If it was not discovered by scientist it doesn't mean that it doesnt exist

Before many century we didn't have prove for plants
And no one discover it (it was mentioned in Quran

So it doesn't mean that plants doesn't exist

 

[Riverwolf]

Myth : an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.

Reference : Myth | Define Myth at Dictionary.com

There are words that dictionary definitions simply cannot do justice to. You have a dictionary to back yours up, I have an army of mythologists to back mine up.

Those verses are signs for the believers and not for the disbelievers,it is just as a gesture,but for the disbelievers whatever signs presented it will be rejected automatically by them.

Well, that's God's fault for not making them clear. As it stands, the Qur'an is just another book as far as I'm concerned.

If you call them to guidance they will not follow you; equal it is to you whether you call them, or whether you are silent. (7:193)

As for the unbelievers, alike it is to them whether thou hast warned them or hast not warned them, they do not believe. (2:6)

Enjoy your years on earth,than to feel regret after death.

Not my fault if God can't make himself clearly distinct from Elves, or indeed of Loki himself.

As it stands, Oðin's call is stronger. I have no reason to fear death, or to be afraid of regret afterwards.

 

[Riverwolf]

If it was not discovered by scientist it doesn't mean that it doesnt exist

Before many century we didn't have prove for plants
And no one discover it (it was mentioned in Quran

So it doesn't mean that plants doesn't exist

...I'm pretty sure everyone knew plants existed. For crying out loud, they're all over the place. We step on them, we climb in them, we smell them, we pick them, we play in them...

 

[Thoughts]

Yet the current version of the Koran is not the original version...

Funny that..

What is your prove

We have only one Quran

It is not like bible

One bible called barnaba which mention
Prophet Mohammad another one which consist of four books
They also found a bible in egypt


Barnaba mention prophet Mohammad

And in the Bible of Barnabas Jesus predicts the coming of Muhammad ( S.A.W.) in these words:*"The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: 'Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail.' Mohammed is his blessed name." Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: "O God, send us thy messenger: O Admirable One, come quickly for the salvation of the world!"—Barnabas 97:9-10
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[Thoughts]

...I'm pretty sure everyone knew plants existed. For crying out loud, they're all over the place. We step on them, we climb in them, we smell them, we pick them, we play in them...

Ye it is known now but was not know in prophet mohammad pbuh time

So it doesn't mean there were no plants because scientist didn't
Discover the plants on that period of time

 

[Riverwolf]

Ye it is known now but was not know in prophet mohammad pbuh time

So it doesn't mean there was no plants because scientist didn't
Discover the plants on that period of time

Uh... I know Arabia is a desert, but there'd have to be at least some kind of plant life in order for any sort of human habitation to be possible.

EDIT: Yeah! Arabia's got plenty of plants:
http://plantdiversityofsaudiarabia.info/biodiversity-saudi-arabia/flora/Flora.htm

Don't tell me that those weren't there in pre-Islamic Arabia or that the pre-Islamic pagans were so blind as to not see them.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

Short answer: Yes

Longer answer: Yes, it is.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Uh... I know Arabia is a desert, but there'd have to be at least some kind of plant life in order for any sort of human habitation to be possible.

EDIT: Yeah! Arabia's got plenty of plants:
Flora of Saudi Arabia

Don't tell me that those weren't there in pre-Islamic Arabia or that the pre-Islamic pagans were so blind as to not see them.

Noth Africa was the bread basket of both the Egyptian people and Roman Empire.
It was not sand desert then as it is now.

 

[Riverwolf]

Noth Africa was the bread basket of both the Egyptian people and Roman Empire.
It was not sand desert then as it is now.

A land of plenty can turn sand-dune desert in just a few thousand years? I'd think it'd take a bit longer than that.

 

[Thoughts]

Iam talkin about aranus ,...... Etc

People didn't know there is oranus until scientist discover

That doesn't mean there was no plants Because scientist didnt discover it yet


Ya Arab world was dessert but you have to go now

Every one complement Dubai

You have to go there

 

[Thoughts]

A land of plenty can turn sand-dune desert in just a few thousand years? I'd think it'd take a bit longer than that.

Riverwolf
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Yemen turned to a dessert in one night and a day

Arab world was green dude

E.g
Yemen was green and full of trees before many century
Then it become dessert because Maarab dam exploded

It is bigger than Hoover dam

 

[Thoughts]

Short answer: Yes

Longer answer: Yes, it is.

Yes doesn't mean I agree with what he is saying
Because there is but

Not all his point of view true

Part of it

Plants is know now a days like aranus

But it was not know in prophet time

Scientist didn't discover aranus on prophet time
So if you were living in that period of time and u said
There is no aranus It doesn't mean you are saying truth

 

[Riverwolf]

Iam talkin about aranus ,...... Etc

People didn't know there is oranus until scientist discover

That doesn't mean there was no plants Because scientist didnt discover it yet

Then you were right the first time. Planets, not plants. Plants refers to trees, flowers, grass, etc.

Nobody says that they weren't there. But nobody knew they were there, either.

Then again, maybe the Alexandrian Librarians did know about them. Maybe one of them managed to cobble together a rudimetary telescope, and did observe Uranus, Neptune, and some asteroids, calling them planets.

I wouldn't put it past them.

Ya Arab world was dessert but you have to go now

Every one complement Dubai

You have to go there

No. Dubai is far more a city of sin than Vegas can ever hope to be.

 

[Riverwolf]

A land of plenty can turn sand-dune desert in just a few thousand years? I'd think it'd take a bit longer than that.

Riverwolf
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Yemen turned to a dessert in one night and a day

Arab world was green dude

E.g
Yemen was green and full of trees before many century
Then it become dessert because Maarab dam exploded

It is bigger than Hoover dam

Fair enough, though I specifically meant just from nature.

 

[Thoughts]

Then you were right the first time. Planets, not plants. Plants refers to trees, flowers, grass, etc.

Nobody says that they weren't there. But nobody knew they were there, either.

Then again, maybe the Alexandrian Librarians did know about them. Maybe one of them managed to cobble together a rudimetary telescope, and did observe Uranus, Neptune, and some asteroids, calling them planets.

I wouldn't put it past them.

No. Dubai is far more a city of sin than Vegas can ever hope to be.

I don't think Vegas is better than Dubai

Vegas like treating women as rubbish
They treat woman as product and it expired while she get old

She sell her body for some dollars

If you were lucky you will not get AIDS

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[Riverwolf]

I don't think Vegas is better than Dubai

Vegas like treating women as rubbish
They treat woman as product and it expired while she get old

She sell her body for some dollars

If you were lucky you will not get AIDS

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Vegas is primarily a gambling and party city. Prostitutes happen to be there, but I don't think they'd be any more common than in any other city.

But at least they don't spend everything they have on giant towers and man-made islands only to run out of money leaving the islands sinking and the tower empty while the ones who worked on them starve.

 

[Thoughts]

Fair enough, though I specifically meant just from nature.

When dam explode water destroy the whole nature

Water is nature

It possible some thing happen by nature even

Two example,

Lut attribute and aad attribute

Nature Killed every person and every one
By a comman from Allah

 

[Thoughts]

Vegas is primarily a gambling and party city. Prostitutes happen to be there, but I don't think they'd be any more common than in any other city.

But at least they don't spend everything they have on giant towers and man-made islands only to run out of money leaving the islands sinking and the tower empty while the ones who worked on I

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It is not an excuse

There is proverb says

An excuse is sometime More ugly

This proverb does match with vegas

Demolishing ethics

Do you think there is no poor man in united state

Most of them unemployed

You have to read how all people in Switzerland turned to be employee

These giant towers provide people with jobs

You dont know any thing about Arab world
E.g UAE
Women or man who doesn't work was given
Money by organizations monthly until they become
Independent


Muslim give poor people money called zakat and sadaqa


Now where do you prefer to live ?

 

[Looncall]

A land of plenty can turn sand-dune desert in just a few thousand years? I'd think it'd take a bit longer than that.

I think I read somewhere that it was a combination of climate change and overgrazing by goats.