Is Israel a Jewish State?

[GoodAttention]

They are. They don't represent the majority of the world. Hell, Western governments don't even represent their own people. They constantly do the opposite of what polls say we want.

Are you saying the majority of the world wants to remove Israel as a country?

Of course:

Israeli airstrike hits Greek Orthodox church in Gaza, killing more than a dozen

Air strikes continued to pound Gaza Friday as the Israeli invasion force sat ready near the Gaza border. On the Egyptian side of that border, aid shipments still await entry to Gaza as the U.N. secretary-general visited the site and pushed for a resolution. Leila Molana-Allen reports.

www.google.com

They also murdered an elderly Christian woman and her daughter in cold blood:

Killing of Nahida and Samar Anton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These are casualties of war that Hamas started!

Do you have any examples before October 7th 2023???

 

[GoodAttention]

You here represent all the world opinion about Israel ?!!

Most of the world continues to both recognise and have diplomatic ties with Israel.

Here in this forum there are many people against Israel crimes.

Most in this forum live in countries that will stand by Israel also.

WW2 in Europe despite they all Christians.
Europeans didn't accept German nazi because German nazi consider them selfs as superior human race same as zionists now !!

Why we Muslims should accept zionist racist regime between us ?

Muslims can keep fighting or they can live in peace and accept Israel.

Many countries are racist, but can also live in peace with each other. What is more important to you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Are you saying the majority of the world wants to remove Israel as a country?

I don't know about that exactly but most the world is not supportive of what the Zionist regime is doing to the Palestinians, and most of the world voted for a mandate demanding "Israel" end its occupation of Palestinian land within a year. However, I've definitely seen an uptick in people online questioning the existence of the Zionist state. The outrage that their genocide is eliciting is palpable.

These are casualties of war that Hamas started!

Do you have any examples before October 7th 2023???

Why would I bother? You will just blame them for their own murders like you did here, which is totally sickening. Those Jews at the Warsaw ghetto and those black kids at Soweto totally had it coming to them, didn't they? ("Israel" was a big backer of the South African apartheid regime and some of the arguments Zionists use are very similar to the ones I've seen apartheid supporting whites use about black South Africans. "Israel" is also known for treating black people like garbage, too. Birds of a feather.)

You also act like you've never heard of this conflict before last year. You need to take a trip to at least Wikipedia or something.

 

[Godobeyer]

Most of the world continues to both recognise and have diplomatic ties with Israel.

Also German nazi was.

Most in this forum live in countries that will stand by Israel also.

I see you speak instead of world and forums too

Muslims can keep fighting or they can live in peace and accept Israel.

Many countries are racist, but can also live in peace with each other. What is more important to you?

Peace is required to remove the cancer of racism, same as Europeans did at WW2

List me "your" many racist regimes in the current world.
Btw i talking about residents suffering from racist regime.

The only country apartheid known now is Israel.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Apparently when it's Arabs, it doesn't break your heart enough for you to say it's wrong.

It depends on the circumstances. If the civilian is targeted (which is what terrorists, school shooters, etc. do) then yes, it's wrong. OTOH, when a dangerous person is targeted, such as a terrorist or invading army or mass school shooter, and it is these dangerous people are targeted, and a civilian is hit due to that defense, no, it's not wrong. Horrible? Absolutely. But it is not the moral equivalent of targeting civilians.

 

[GoodAttention]

I don't know about that exactly but most the world is not supportive of what the Zionist regime is doing to the Palestinians, and most of the world voted for a mandate demanding "Israel" end its occupation of Palestinian land within a year. However, I've definitely seen an uptick in people online questioning the existence of the Zionist state. The outrage that their genocide is eliciting is palpable.

Most people support a 2 state solution and all Muslims should also.

Why would I bother? You will just blame them for their own murders like you did here, which is totally sickening. Those Jews at the Warsaw ghetto and those black kids at Soweto totally had it coming to them, didn't they? ("Israel" was a big backer of the South African apartheid regime and some of the arguments Zionists use are very similar to the ones I've seen apartheid supporting whites use about black South Africans. "Israel" is also known for treating black people like garbage, too. Birds of a feather.)

You also act like you've never heard of this conflict before last year. You need to take a trip to at least Wikipedia or something.

Did Israel apologise for those mistakes?

Saudis are responsible for killing and starving Yemenis, will they apologize?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It depends on the circumstances. If the civilian is targeted (which is what terrorists, school shooters, etc. do) then yes, it's wrong. OTOH, when a dangerous person is targeted, such as a terrorist or invading army or mass school shooter, and it is these dangerous people are targeted, and a civilian is hit due to that defense, no, it's not wrong. Horrible? Absolutely. But it is not the moral equivalent of targeting civilians.

We know the IDF targets civilians. We've seen that with the murders of little 5 year old Hind Rajab, her family and the ambulance crew rushing to save her. We've seen that with the blatant targeting of the World Central Kitchen aid organization staff, where an IDF drone basically methodically hunted those people down as they ran from car to car in their convoy to escape it, and picked them off. I posted an example above about the elderly Christian woman and her daughter being murdered by an IDF sniper, who refused to let anyone near them (the elderly lady ended up bleeding to death due to it, after seeing her daughter killed). We know they target journalists and medical workers.

+972 Magazine (an Israeli magazine) did in-depth investigations into how the IDF selects targets to be killed in Gaza. It turns out, they have very sophisticated AI systems which tell how many civilians are going to be in a building (that one's called Lavender). Then they use another AI (called "Where's Daddy?") that tells them when the target is most likely to be home...with their families! Then they level the whole building, killing everyone - including women, children, the elderly - anyone who may be in the building! They know they're there. They're willing to kill dozens of civilians just to kill one Hamas member. You can look yourself:

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets and the use of an AI system have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza.

www.972mag.com

‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza

The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.

www.972mag.com

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Most people support a 2 state solution and all Muslims should also.

Why should they when Nuttyahoo and his Nazi cabinet don't and never will?

Did Israel apologise for those mistakes?

I don't think they even publicly acknowledge their ties to the South African apartheid regime. They did finally admit to sterilizing black African Jews without their knowledge or consent, which caused their birthrate to drop by half, but I don't remember if they apologized for it. That's not really their style, anyway.

Saudis are responsible for killing and starving Yemenis, will they apologize?

Probably not, because they're evil, too. All those Gulf royal families are degenerate psychopaths.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... Everyone is screaming about the 40,000 deaths in Gaza (which by the way rightly include a LOT of Hamas, not just civilians) but the death rate of civilians in Ukraine are 20x more.

It seems that your comparing apples and chicken wings. Where did you get the 20x and how is this "rate" defined and determined.

Based on the source that said that there has been as many as many as 100,000. Not every source said this. Estimates can vary significantly depending on the methodologies used by different organizations and the availability of accurate information from war zones.

"Ukraine’s war crimes prosecutor did say in February 2023 the total number of Ukrainian civilians killed could be higher than 100,000."

You reference 40,000 deaths in Gaza.
You reference that it could be more than 100,000 deaths in the Ukraine.
You claim that the death rate of civilians in the Ukraine is 20 times what we see in Gaza.

Note #1: 100k is 2.5 time 40k, not 20 times 40k.

But you spoke of rate ...

The population of the Ukraine is 37,900,000 as of 2024.
The estimates population of Gaza is 800,363 as of 2024.

In terms of rate, 40,000 deaths is 4.9978% of the population of Gaza.
In terms of rate, 100,000 deaths is 0.2639% of the population of the Ukraine.

Note #2: It appears that the death rate in Gaza is roughly 18.9 times that of the Ukraine.

If that is what you meant to say, I totally missed your point. What was it?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think before it is decided what the character of any given state is, or what a state's opinion on that is, it should be prefaced with the foundation that any given plot of land, marked off with borders, anywhere in the world, doesn't actually care, in and of itself about the human activity on it. The land outlives everyone in the end

If a state, anywhere in the world, does not individuate itself on some basis, then there is no point in giving it borders. That said, it does not have to go way into the directions of ethnic, religious, or political basis in order to do this, and it can stop short of that and still individuate itself. But a second issue with this emerges, and that is that a state does not actually have to offer prescriptions on any of those things, as they are actually emergent from the grassroots of populations with competing ideas, if the state doesn't say anything about it

We in the united states have a federal system, of states, and this is to relieve pressure on the differences between people. The middle-east is divided into countries. Technically, if our system is the smoother one, we shouldn't have really anything to say about how they are doing things over there, because they are working things out in a totally different way than we are.

 

[GoodAttention]

Why should they when Nuttyahoo and his Nazi cabinet don't and never will?

They will have to also. Everyone must support 2 state solution.

I don't think they even publicly acknowledge their ties to the South African apartheid regime. They did finally admit to sterilizing black African Jews without their knowledge or consent, which caused their birthrate to drop by half, but I don't remember if they apologized for it. That's not really their style, anyway.

Shame on them if they didn’t.

Probably not, because they're evil, too. All those Gulf royal families are degenerate psychopaths.

It’s not easy to say boycott oil on principle.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Houthis.

All do not hide their desire to destroy Israel nor their hatred for Jews.

Nope .. their hatred for the Israeli state .. not hatred/oppression of a race .. that's Israel's policy.
..and what the Israelis are doing right now, only proves the point.

Israel can't hate the Palestinian state, because they haven't got one.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You totally missed the point. Everyone is screaming about the 40,000 deaths in Gaza (which by the way rightly include a LOT of Hamas, not just civilians) but the death rate of civilians in Ukraine are 20x more.

It's not about numbers .. it's about the injustice of an oppressor who has created an 'open air prison'
of an (internationally agreed) occupied territory by the Israelis, systematically bombing it, killing
men, women and children and destroying all buildings and infrastructure.

It's a disgrace .. it's not a war, it's a massacre.
Now, you might say that if hostages are released, they would stop bombing.
Not on your life!

 

[muhammad_isa]

My comment is meant SOLELY to point out the hypocrisy of crying for Gaza, but not crying even more for Ukraine. When people do that, it tells me they have an irrational view of Israel and Jews.

You cannot compare the two. Is Ukraine an 'open air prison', isolated from the outside world?
How many of the casualties are women and children and non combatants?

..but it is YOU that claim it hypocrisy to deplore the genocide in Gaza, as numbers are less etc.
The topic is about the political state of Israel, and not Russia/Ukraine.

 

[GoodAttention]

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Nope .. their hatred for the Israeli state .. not hatred/oppression of a race .. that's Israel's policy.
..and what the Israelis are doing right now, only proves the point.

Israel can't hate the Palestinian state, because they haven't got one.

What is written on the Houthi flag?

 

[muhammad_isa]

If the civilian is targeted (which is what terrorists, school shooters, etc. do) then yes, it's wrong.

It is wrong .. but mass killings by a powerful army, in so called self-defence of an 'open-prison'
controlled by them is even MORE wrong!!

It doesn't end there .. we will all be killing each other around the world .. the wrongs of "terrorism"
will just increase. We will all lose it and behave like mad dog Israel.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What is written on the Houthi flag?

I'm not interested in Nationalities, flags and flag-waving.

If Israel just leaves 1000 Palestinians/Muslims/Arabs alive, they will be a future threat to Israeli state.
Pathetic. What do you expect? .. the international community has been ignored for decades.
UN resolutions (on Palestinian injustice) have been blocked.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is Ukraine an 'open air prison',

When people try to say that Gaza was an open air prison, they are grossly exaggerating to the point where it becomes an error.

 

[GoodAttention]

I'm not interested in Nationalities, flags and flag-waving.

Why not?

If Israel just leaves 1000 Palestinians/Muslims/Arabs alive, they will be a future threat to Israeli state.
Pathetic. What do you expect? .. the international community has been ignored for decades.
UN resolutions (on Palestinian injustice) have been blocked.

Hence why everyone should support a 2 state solution, will you join us?

 

[Flankerl]

not hatred/oppression of a race .. that's Israel's policy.

Good ol' Itbah al-Yahud~
I think you are all just angry that you ran out of Jews to Itbah.

an 'open air prison'

How did Yezidi minor sex slaves from ISIS slave markets in Syria end up in that open air prison?





So anyway we have in this thread one user from
Scotland
State Religion: Calvinism

another from
Algeria
State Religion: Islam

and one from
Egypt
State Religion: Islam

The jokes write themselves.
It's all just vibes at this point~