Is it possible for believers to believe the Bible has mistakes in it?

[sojourner]

It doesn't? It claims to be the word of a supernatural being! That's honest? I say that's horse puckey.

It doesn't? It claims to be the word of a supernatural being! That's honest? I say that's horse puckey.

No. It doesn't. The writers make that claim on a limited basis about some of the writings, but it's a theological claim, not a literalistic claim. Many followers make that claim, but that's not the same thing as the texts, themselves, making such a claim.

 

[Sapiens]

No. It doesn't. The writers make that claim on a limited basis about some of the writings, but it's a theological claim, not a literalistic claim. Many followers make that claim, but that's not the same thing as the texts, themselves, making such a claim.

Theological, literalistic, does it matter? Dishonest in either case.

 

[sojourner]

Theological, literalistic, does it matter? Dishonest in either case.

Of course it matters. Mythology is an honest endeavor, because it's up front about its use of metaphor and allegory. Mythology isn't meant to be taken literalistic ally, and if that attempt is made, it's dishonest. Therefore, while the metaphorical accounts of the creation are theologically honest, it's dishonest to say that the bible is factually correct in its accounts of creation.

 

[psychoslice]

The fundamentalist and dogmatic thinking Christians will never agree, which is sad.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I have spiritual understanding, and I agree with him.

Presumably then you believe in God.
If so,that is your reality, and it is our own reality that we answer for

 

[Robert.Evans]

By the questions you asked, you admitted your lack of knowledge on these subjects.

haha

 

[Robert.Evans]

The fundamentalist and dogmatic thinking Christians will never agree, which is sad.

That is becasue they are people, like everyone else

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Is it possible for any religious writings to be with out error.?
Does it even matter?
Can any one know the nature of God?

We can believe in the Existence of God, We can worship God. But can we know who or what God is?

 

[redpolk]

Is believing there are no mistakes in the Bible a prerequisite for believing it?

Unbelievers know it carries maistakes. They might not know which scriptures are misunderstood and which aren't but they know it is not possible that it is perfect.

The Christian believers I have met seem to think it is perfect just the way it is.

Can we talk about that?

They may have quite varied ideas of perfection.It could be perfection in general doctrine as laid out by their church.That allows for a lot of imperfection in specific passages.

 

[gnostic]

Unbelievers know it carries maistakes. They might not know which scriptures are misunderstood and which aren't but they know it is not possible that it is perfect.

The Christian believers I have met seem to think it is perfect just the way it is.

Unbelievers are usually mistaken. There's a reason for that. They are unfamiliar with the style of writing and textual reference. They actually, are the worst on average at reading Scripture, not the best.

Only (some) silly, naive or biased Christians believed that their bible is perfect. It is their own insecurity and ego (and arrogant) speaking when they carelessly throw words around, like "perfect" or "perfection".


And being Christians don't make them the best judge in textual analysis or styles in their own scriptures, let alone the Hebrew scriptures, or in the matter of interpretations, because they allowed their "belief" or "faith" to cloud their judgements, making them bias.

And when pointing out errors in the verses or passages, rather than admit that there are mistakes, some Christians have the tendency to spin all sorts of fanciful or illogical excuses. They are in neck-and-neck tie with some Muslims, as being the worse apologists ever.

 

[jonathan180iq]

There are no higher level academic studies of the Bible that attempt to verify its historical accuracy. After a certain point, it is either accepted as a large book of mythological stories as the foundation for Christianity, and used for socio-cultural studies, or it becomes the authoritative thumping block of imaginative liars who misinterpret their own source material to justify their weak faith...

 

[fantome profane]

The only pretending going on is what both religious and atheist wacko fundamentalists try to make the bible out to be. The bible is an honest collection of honest documents. Aesop is only clearer because those little vignettes are shallow. And, unlike the biblical texts (as I said), they're not a theological record. And that's the big difference. Sure, the bible contains factual error. So what? It's a human invention; all human inventions contain error.

I agree, the Bible is a collection of documents by humans over an extended period of time. It tells us what those humans felt and thought about God, and about humanity. There is no reason to expect such a collection to be error free. Humans make errors, a human creation is bound to have errors, and the Bible certainly does.

However I would not say it is 100% an "honest collection of honest documents". Just as we know that human beings are bound to make honest mistakes, we also know that human beings are bound to make ethical errors as well (dishonest mistakes). Just as any human collection of documents is bound to contain errors, so is bound to contain some deliberate deceptions. And again the Bible is no exception.

 

[sojourner]

I agree, the Bible is a collection of documents by humans over an extended period of time. It tells us what those humans felt and thought about God, and about humanity. There is no reason to expect such a collection to be error free. Humans make errors, a human creation is bound to have errors, and the Bible certainly does.

However I would not say it is 100% an "honest collection of honest documents". Just as we know that human beings are bound to make honest mistakes, we also know that human beings are bound to make ethical errors as well (dishonest mistakes). Just as any human collection of documents is bound to contain errors, so is bound to contain some deliberate deceptions. And again the Bible is no exception.

Perhaps, but it would be real difficult to discover with any certainty what is deceptive, especially in light of the texts' general acceptance by the community.

 

[pearl]

I was going to name the thread "Is it possible the Bible has mistakes in it". And I heard a little voice in my head say "Dah?".

Then I had to add "believers" to the title.

If nothing else, it's funny.

Bible contains errors, fiction, myth and legend

If one is a fundamentalist the Bible is without error, otherwise the Bible as a whole does not err but it contains
errors, fiction, myth and legend

 

[Faybull]

Here is something:

Replace "kesed", with "keseb".

"Sit thou silent,and get thee into darkness,O daughter of the Chaldeans (keseb instead of kesed): for thou shalt no more be called,The lady of kingdoms."


Cheers.

 

[kjw47]

The fundamentalist and dogmatic thinking Christians will never agree, which is sad.

True Christians are 100% in agreement-1Corinthians 1:10------ its the illusion of what one is told that is Christian that you speak of. There is no disunity with the followers of Jesus. One religion.

 

[savagewind]

True Christians are 100% in agreement-1Corinthians 1:10------ its the illusion of what one is told that is Christian that you speak of. There is no disunity with the followers of Jesus. One religion.

What happened to "religion is a snare and a racket"?

 

[savagewind]

Here is something:

Replace "kesed", with "keseb".

"Sit thou silent,and get thee into darkness,O daughter of the Chaldeans (keseb instead of kesed): for thou shalt no more be called,The lady of kingdoms."


Cheers.

I might like to know what this post means.

 

[savagewind]

1 Corinthians 1:10
has been translated to say 10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

αὐτὸ meaning also the pronoun "he". But has been translated "same". Literally "speak same" but might mean "speak he" in everything. That means that whenever you speak anything at all you must believe Jesus is present to hear you.

The idea goes like this: From The Lord Jesus Christ to the end that about he (Jesus Christ) you speak always.

It means always have in mind you speak for Jesus Christ.


These which follow are translated from the word "the" which comes before the word translated "same" but should say "HE" -
about (2), all (5), case* (3), cause* (1), circumstances* (3), companions* (8), condition* (1), experiences (2), far (1), followers* (1), former* (1), meat (1), one (6), one who (1), one* (1), others (4), others* (1), outsiders* (3), people (1), sight (1), some (7), some* (5), suitable (1), these (4), things (1), this (31), those (406), those who (17), together* (8), under* (1), welfare (1), what (47), what had happened (1), what* (1), which (14), who (52), whoever (8), whom (4).

 

[kjw47]

What happened to "religion is a snare and a racket"?

Except for one, these truths Daniel 12:4) have been being revealed through Jesus' real teachers. Here in these last days.