Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?

[Enoch07]

First, I didn't "choose" the religion because it suited my "needs", I found and accepted it because it made sense and was mainly what I had already come to believe before even finding it.

Second...that's the point Enoch...it's NOT logical. If the god you believe in knows the future, and creates souls and people and whatnot, then that god creates people to reject him. And THAT doesn't make sense. That is the FLAW of your belief of your god. I swear this is like talking to a wall.

God created you to be you. Not be evil or good. He wants us to be good, but he will not force us. You are here to live your life and exercise your free will in whatever way makes you happy. Yes there is consequences if you do not do it His way, but that is just the way it is. You just are afraid to accept the responsibility of your actions, that is why you want to be able to blame God for your mistakes.

 

[Enoch07]

if i do have free will, then your god dosent exist, because he isnt omniscient

I ask for you to prove it in some way and you cannot. You are just making up answers as you go along with absolutely nothing backing it up.

 

[JMorris]

I think we can say this to him several times a day, everyday, for the rest of his life, and he still won't get it.

obviously, gets rather tiresom throwing logic at someone, and them just shrugging it off and reciting dogma back at you

 

[JMorris]

God created you to be you. Not be evil or good. He wants us to be good, but he will not force us. You are here to live your life and exercise your free will in whatever way makes you happy. Yes there is consequences if you do not do it His way, but that is just the way it is. You just are afraid to accept the responsibility of your actions, that is why you want to be able to blame God for your mistakes.

wow, shes going to "pay the price" for not being a christian? your god wouldnt be worthy of worship even if he did exist. do you know her well enough to say she dosent take responsibility for her mistakes? is not being part of your religion a mistake?

 

[JMorris]

I ask for you to prove it in some way and you cannot. You are just making up answers as you go along with absolutely nothing backing it up.

ive proven it repeatedly with logic. thats why you dont adress it, because you know its right. all you do is keep repeating "god gave us free will and he knows what we will do" thats not logical nor is it proof of anything other than you will repeat dogma in the face of logic until we get tired of you go elsewhere

 

[Enoch07]

wow, shes going to "pay the price" for not being a christian? your god wouldnt be worthy of worship even if he did exist. do you know her well enough to say she dosent take responsibility for her mistakes? is not being part of your religion a mistake?

If you blame someone else for your mistakes that is called not taking responsibility for your mistakes. You guys wanna blame God for your mistakes. So there ya go.

 

[Enoch07]

ive proven it repeatedly with logic. thats why you dont adress it, because you know its right. all you do is keep repeating "god gave us free will and he knows what we will do" thats not logical nor is it proof of anything other than you will repeat dogma in the face of logic until we get tired of you go elsewhere

Human logic is weak and full of flaws. It is not 100% fool proof. So yeah your gonna need something else besides just logic to prove your point.

 

[JMorris]

If you blame someone else for your mistakes that is called not taking responsibility for your mistakes. You guys wanna blame God for your mistakes. So there ya go.

lol, wouldnt we have to believe in your god in order to blame him for something? you were mistaking blame for examples of how god cannot be omniscient and give free will

 

[JMorris]

Human logic is weak and full of flaws. It is not 100% fool proof. So yeah your gonna need something else besides just logic to prove your point.

and what exactly do you have on your side? not even logic of ANY kind. so other than repeating the same non-sensical line over and over, what are you going to bring to the table to prove your point?

 

[Enoch07]

lol, wouldnt we have to believe in your god in order to blame him for something? you were mistaking blame for examples of how god cannot be omniscient and give free will

It is what you are doing though. Whether you realize it or not. If you don't believe in any of it why is it so important for you to prove your point? If you don't believe in any of it why even bother? If you don't believe in it then you should have nothing to worry about and you are wasting your own time arguing over something that don't exist.

 

[JMorris]

It is what you are doing though. Whether you realize it or not. If you don't believe in any of it why is it so important for you to prove your point? If you don't believe in any of it why even bother? If you don't believe in it then you should have nothing to worry about and you are wasting your own time arguing over something that don't exist.

because i want to. and the fact that i chose means an omniscient god dosent exist. so what do i have to worry about? nothing, just good fun argueing over something i cant do in real life. it wouldnt be any fun argueing with people i agreed with

 

[Mister Emu]

Why must you insist on trying to believe there is both at the same time when there is simply no logical way there can be?

How illogical do you find it to reject a linear time?

 

[JMorris]

if time is not linear, then thats a different story, but i dont know how your going to prove that. maybe you can?

 

[Enoch07]

because i want to. and the fact that i chose means an omniscient god dosent exist. so what do i have to worry about? nothing, just good fun argueing over something i cant do in real life. it wouldnt be any fun argueing with people i agreed with

Kk And because you chose to argue proves that God is not omiscient how?

 

[JMorris]

Kk And because you chose to argue proves that God is not omiscient how?

lol, because >I CHOSE<, i cant choose anything without free will, and if god knew i was going to do this, then i didnt choose, i just did what he already knew was going to happen. i played my part in the time in which is was fated to happen.

 

[JMorris]

or maybe i didnt choose. maybe your god does exist. in which case theres nothing to worry about, because whatever he knows im gonna do, i will do, and cant escape. he would know i would write these very words exactly when i did. he would know what i think/thought. i wouldnt even get to choose my thoughts.

 

[Enoch07]

lol, because >I CHOSE<, i cant choose anything without free will, and if god knew i was going to do this, then i didnt choose, i just did what he already knew was going to happen. i played my part in the time in which is was fated to happen.

Haha you did choose you just said you did. God knew you was going to but He did not make you do it. God is not controlling you, or you would not have been able to make the choice. If God made the choice for you then He would have made you shut up rofl. Why is that so hard to understand.

 

[JMorris]

Haha you did choose you just said you did. God knew you was going to but He did not make you do it. God is not controlling you, or you would not have been able to make the choice. If God made the choice for you then He would have made you shut up rofl. Why is that so hard to understand.

lmao, if i did indeed make the choice, then god is not omniscient, and your definition of god is wrong, can we end it there or are we going to keep going in circles?

 

[Enoch07]

I can go all night. I have several thousand years worth of common knowledge (that God is omniscient and free will does exist at same time), a whole entire Bible, and a truck load of common sense to back me up. Your theories are nothing but word games, so I am not worried one bit.

 

[Mister Emu]

if time is not linear, then thats a different story, but i dont know how your going to prove that. maybe you can?

No, can't prove it... was just inquiring about there being no logical way for God to be omniscient and free will to exist...