Is it true?

[paarsurrey]

Just from earlier discussions here, Paar. Try googling it.

Thanks and regards.

Anybody from the Bahaism people, please. Kindly quote from Bahaullah not from any compilation done in his name, please.

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I was referring to this as well:

"As to the existence of spirit in the mineral: it is indubitable that minerals are endowed with a spirit and life according to the requirements of that stage. This unknown secret, too, hath become known unto the materialists who now maintain that all beings are endowed with life, even as He saith in the Qur’án, ‘All things are living’."

Bahá'í Reference Library - Tablet to August Forel, Pages 6-10

Great, can not remember reading that one.

It may be then the ability of communication and comprehension begins at vegetable level?

So much to learn

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bahaism people have such a blind-faith!

Regards

Is there any error in the Quran?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

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Thanks and regards.

Anybody from the Bahaism people, please. Kindly quote from Bahaullah not from any compilation done in his name, please.

Regards

".. The learned men, that have fixed at several thousand years the life of this earth, have failed, throughout the long period of their observation, to consider either the number or the age of the other planets. Consider, moreover, the manifold divergencies that have resulted from the theories propounded by these men. Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute...."

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 158-163

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

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Thanks and regards.
But "Gleanings" is a compilation said to be from the writings of Bahaullah, and it is also said that the compiler had forgotten as to which tablet/book of Bahaullah he took the excerpts.
Hence ,instead of Gleanings the name of original book written by Bahaullah for reference is ,therefore, requested, please.
Anybody from the Bahaism people please.

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bahaism people have such a blind-faith!

Regards

It's not at all unique to Baha'ism. Lots of people have blind faith, and believe in things that are contradictory towards science. In Hinduism (not me personally, mind you) lots of people believe the Purana stories are literal history. Things like Gods chopping heads off of other Gods, beings with 10 heads, or extra arms, these things people believe are actually history. In fundamentalist Christianity, people believe in Noah's Ark or Adam and Eve as being the literal truth. I'm sure that in Islam we could find something that contradicts science.

A strong faith is built upon a rock foundation, by a just and thorough search.

Once one determines that Baha'u'llah is as he has claimed. Then Baha'u'llah speaks for God, as Muhammad did in the Quran.

It is equivelent of Parrsurrey rejecting any verse from the Quran. To which he would and should not.

Vinayaka, we know does not accept Infalability or Messengers from God.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thanks and regards.
But "Gleanings" is a compilation said to be from the writings of Bahaullah, and it is also said that the compiler had forgotten as to which tablet/book of Bahaullah he took the excerpts.
Hence ,instead of Gleanings the name of original book written by Bahaullah for reference is ,therefore, requested, please.
Anybody from the Bahaism people please.

Regards

All these were translated by Shoghi Effendi, thus all quotes are from Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

The Most Holy Book was revealed by Baha’u’llah Himself.These are the Words of a Manifestation of God. They are the Words of God. It has nothing to do with non Baha’i teachings so I don’t know what you are meaning.

There is no need to be harsh or lose patience. We can discuss with patience, courtesy and detachment as brothers.

The members please note that Kitab-i-Aqdas or "The Most Holy Book" is not revealed on him by G-d, but written by Bahaullah himself.
The same is the case of the Kitab-i-Iqan. It is written by Bahaullah, not revealed on him from/by G-d.
Right, please?

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The members please note that Kitab-i-Aqdas or "The Most Holy Book" is not revealed on him by G-d, but written by Bahaullah himself.
The same is the case of the Kitab-i-Iqan. It is written by Bahaullah, not revealed on him from/by G-d.
Right, please?

Regards

Thus I ask again for the 3rd time, to which you have not answered.

Is the Quran the Infallible Word from God?

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

This was the answer;

"Is it ever possible,” they ask, “for copper to be transmuted into gold?” Say, Yes, by my Lord, it is possible. Its secret, however, lieth hidden in Our Knowledge. We will reveal it unto whom We will. Whoso doubteth Our power, let him ask the Lord his God, that He may disclose unto him the secret, and assure him of its truth. That copper can be turned into gold is in itself sufficient proof that gold can, in like manner, be transmuted into copper, if they be of them that can apprehend this truth. Every mineral can be made to acquire the density, form, and substance of each and every other mineral. The knowledge thereof is with Us in the Hidden Book."
(Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 197-198)

From my understanding of Science and how it will unfold in the material world is that humanity is not ready for the power that will enable this, the unity of humanity is required. We still like threatening each other with nuclear bombs, what would we do with power that could take out worlds?

God protects us from our own ingnorance.

This was from a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi's and is an answer to your OP.

1580. Copper Can be Transmuted into Gold
"Considering that a century ago, nobody knew the nature of matter, and couldn't split any kind of an atom, it should not surprise the scientist that ‘Abdu’l-Bahá states that copper can be transmuted into gold.
"There may come a time, for all we know, when the mass of many atoms can be changed by scientists. We have no way of proving or disproving at present the statement of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. Just because we cannot demonstrate a contention in the Bahá’í Teachings does not mean the contention is not true.
"The same holds true of the statement of Bahá’u’lláh in the Íqán, regarding transmutation of copper into gold after seventy years, under certain conditions.
"We as Bahá’ís must assume that, as He had access to all knowledge, He was referring to a definite physical condition which theoretically might exist. Because we don't know what this condition is in scientific terms does not refute Bahá’u’lláh's statement at all.
"The Guardian hopes that Mr. … will not let so small a thing stand in his path. The principle of Faith is to accept anything the Manifestation of God says, once you have accepted Him as being the Manifestation. That is really the crux of the whole matter. It is a question of confidence.".(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, March 14, 1955)

Regards Tony

Sorry, the above references are inappropriate.
Kindly quote the original tablet/book written by Bahaullah revealed on him by G-d, not written by Bahaullah himself or any person later, please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I think you have pushed the issue enough - enough for any one to see that they do not have a good answer and will not concede the fact as my conversation with @InvestigateTruth shows - they want to believe and we can leave it at that - my advise - it is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Agreed.
Bahaism people have a right to believe in anything whatsoever on blind-faith, and I have no objection to it.
All my endeavor is to find truth in other world-views, if any, irrespective of that I am already treading on the truthful path.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is there any error in the Quran?

Regards Tony

I am reading Kitab-i-Iqan, it is my second reading of it. I am reading it in English and Arabic side by side. The first reading was only in Arabic. Where I find something I should discuss with others, I do it. Is it wrong, please?

Regard

 

[Vinayaka]

The members please note that Kitab-i-Aqdas or "The Most Holy Book" is not revealed on him by G-d, but written by Bahaullah himself.
The same is the case of the Kitab-i-Iqan. It is written by Bahaullah, not revealed on him from/by G-d.
Right, please?

Regards

This is just belief, Paar. People all have the right to believe whatever they believe. In this particular case, the Baha'i believe it was from God, while all non-Baha'i believe it isn't. Your faith has beliefs that are unique to your faith, and non-Ammadiyas don't believe it. There is nothing right nor wrong about belief. It's just belief. There is nothing right nor wrong about a favorite colour. It might be orange, blue, or green.

Believing something is true does not make it true.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I think you have pushed the issue enough - enough for any one to see that they do not have a good answer and will not concede the fact as my conversation with @InvestigateTruth shows - they want to believe and we can leave it at that - my advise - it is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Bahais investigated the claims of Bahaullah, and decided He is Manifestation of God as He says. This is the reason, they trust Him. I can understand why, you, and @paarsurrey have problems with some of the things Bahaullah wrote, such as the possibility of converting copper to gold. This is because you do not believe that Bahaullah is the Manifestation of God. But, if He is indeed Manifestation of God, can we still say, He is making mistakes? We are not disproving Bahaullah by saying copper cannot be changed to gold. Theoretically science agrees with this. There is no scientist that can prove it is impossible. If we find a statement in a religion, which contradicts with reason and the proven science, then that is not from God. However, sometimes, a prophet is speaking figuratively, or symbolically, which if it is taken literally, one may think, He is making mistakes, but that is due to incorrect interpretations. I hope that helps you understand the Bahai POV.

 

[Vinayaka]

Bahais investigated the claims of Bahaullah, and decided He is Manifestation of God as He says. This is the reason, they trust Him. I can understand why, you, and @paarsurrey have problems with some of the things Bahaullah wrote, such as the possibility of converting copper to gold. This is because you do not believe that Bahaullah is the Manifestation of God. But, if He is indeed Manifestation of God, can we still say, He is making mistakes? We are not disproving Bahaullah by saying copper cannot be changed to gold. Theoretically science agrees with this. There is no scientist that can prove it is impossible. If we find a statement in a religion, which contradicts with reason and the proven science, then that is not from God. However, sometimes, a prophet is speaking figuratively, or symbolically, which if it is taken literally, one may think, He is making mistakes, but that is due to incorrect interpretations. I hope that helps you understand the Bahai POV.

Just in the copper thing ... what he said was that if is left untouched, in a pure state it would change to gold, on it's own. Of course any scientist could set that up, contain it for 70 years. So why aren't scientists trying this? I know that if I believed it, I'g get a bunch of copper, and leave it to charity, to be opened in 70 years, and cashed in as gold. Why not?

 

[Looncall]

Just in the copper thing ... what he said was that if is left untouched, in a pure state it would change to gold, on it's own. Of course any scientist could set that up, contain it for 70 years. So why aren't scientists trying this? I know that if I believed it, I'g get a bunch of copper, and leave it to charity, to be opened in 70 years, and cashed in as gold. Why not?

Any scientifically literate person would easily recognize that process would not occur.

People who push this guff just display their ignorance.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sorry, the above references are inappropriate.
Kindly quote the original tablet/book written by Bahaullah revealed on him by G-d, not written by Bahaullah himself or any person later, please.

Regards

Agreed.
Bahaism people have a right to believe in anything whatsoever on blind-faith, and I have no objection to it.
All my endeavor is to find truth in other world-views, if any, irrespective of that I am already treading on the truthful path.

Regards

I am reading Kitab-i-Iqan, it is my second reading of it. I am reading it in English and Arabic side by side. The first reading was only in Arabic. Where I find something I should discuss with others, I do it. Is it wrong, please?

Regard

The point is your stance is ludicrous.

The Quran is the recorded Word of God revealed by Muhammad, but he could.not write, thus it was written by others.

Still you will see no error in the Quran, and rightly so.

Baha'u'llah penned most of what God revealed to Him, the remainder was written as He gave Revelation and then checked, signed and sealed by Him.

Thus more verifiable than the Quran.

So copious was this Revelation from God, that both the Bab and Baha'u'llah revealed verses equivalent to the size of the Quran, in just two days and not 20 plus years.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Any scientifically literate person would easily recognize that process would not occur.

People who push this guff just display their ignorance.

Well, yes, that is my point.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Any scientifically literate person would easily recognize that process would not occur.

People who push this guff just display their ignorance.

Just in the copper thing ... what he said was that if is left untouched, in a pure state it would change to gold, on it's own. Of course any scientist could set that up, contain it for 70 years. So why aren't scientists trying this? I know that if I believed it, I'g get a bunch of copper, and leave it to charity, to be opened in 70 years, and cashed in as gold. Why not?

The quote to consider is; "...Were it to be protected in its own mine from becoming solidified..."

Thus you have to keep copper molten for 70 years. That would take some power, would it not?

It is said there is an elixer that can bypass this time process.

The future may know, we do not. I say given the state of the unity of humanity, thank God for that.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

The quote to consider is; "...Were it to be protected in its own mine from becoming solidified..."

Thus you have to keep copper molten for 70 years. That would take some power, would it not?

It is said there is an elixer that can bypass this time process.

The future may know, we do not. I say given the state of the unity of humanity, thank God for that.

Regards Tony

It would be very simple to do, actually, as you wouldn't need a large amount. Isn't there a university in Brisbane you could write to to have them set this up, so the Baha'i would be proven right, once and for all?