Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[Sunstone]

Women can prophesy. So you have to know the difference between prophecy and teaching. Women can also teach men outside a church setting. Paul was describing an earthly protocol in churches just like a courtroom has a protocol in relation to the hierarchy of a courtroom. So it doesn't do any good to quote a book you don't believe because it's a house divided against itself and defeats your whole point.

How conveniently your god changes his tune when you want him to.

 

[J Bryson]

It seems that the strawman Christian that the various nontheists around here have been using in arguments is actually a strawwoman.

 

[Carico]

How conveniently your god changes his tune when you want him to.

Actually he said that women can prophesy long before I came on this earth. So God hasn't changed a bit.

 

[Sunstone]

Actually he said that women can prophesy long before I came on this earth. So God hasn't changed a bit.

How clever of your god to call what your doing "prophecy".

 

[Carico]

How clever of you to call what your doing "prophecy".

Actually, many others have told me that my gift is prophesy. I don't want the gift because, as is obvious from this forum alone, prophets are hated, mocked, ridiculed, beaten tortured and sometimes killed. They never converted anyone because they spoke the word of God and no one wants to hear it. So I try to resist it but it only comes back stronger.

So I wouldn't wish this gift on my worst enemy. But the Spirit in me is strong, the flesh is weak. So the Spirit desires the gift, my flesh does not. But as Romans 14:29 says, God's gifts and His call are irrevocable. No one would keep enduring the mocking that I do if he were not forced to do it by the Spirit. That' alone is proof of God's existence.

 

[Sunstone]

Actually, many others have told me that my gift is prophesy. I don't want the gift because, as is obvious from this forum alone, prophets are hated, mocked, ridiculed, beaten tortured and sometimes killed. They never converted anyone because they spoke the word of God and no one wanted to hear it. So I try to resist it but it only comes back stronger.

So I wouldn't wish this gift on my worst enemy. But the Spirit in me is strong, the flesh is weak. So the Spirit desires the gift, my flesh does not. But as Romans 14:29 says, God's gifts and His call are irrevocable. No one would keep enduring the mocking that I do if he were not forced to do it by the Spirit. That' alone is proof of God's existence.

I would expect a genuine prophet of god to at the very least have fewer fallacies, lies, and half-truths in her arguments. Perhaps you should study more so that you do not embarrass your god.

 

[Magic Man]

Actually, many others have told me that my gift is prophesy. I don't want the gift because, as is obvious from this forum alone, prophets are hated, mocked, ridiculed, beaten tortured and sometimes killed. They never converted anyone because they spoke the word of God and no one wanted to hear it. So I try to resist it but it only comes back stronger.

So I wouldn't wish this gift on my worst enemy. But the Spirit in me is strong, the flesh is weak. So the Spirit desires the gift, my flesh does not. But as Romans 14:29 says, God's gifts and His call are irrevocable. No one would keep enduring the mocking that I do if he were not forced to do it by the Spirit. That' alone is proof of God's existence.

And regardless of that little non sequitur, it's still very convenient to call what you do "prophecy" rather than "teaching", otherwise you might be in big trouble, as pointed out by Penguin.

 

[Carico]

I would expect a genuine prophet of god to at the very least have fewer fallacies, lies, and half-truths in her arguments. Perhaps you should study more so that you do not embarrass your god.

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything I've said to be lies. All you've proven is that i'm right about how prophets are treated. So thank you.

 

[Sunstone]

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything I've said to be lies. All you've proven is that i'm right about how prophets are treated. So thank you.

You're right. It's very difficult to prove something is a lie and I have not myself proved that you are a liar. At least not yet. But much of what you have said is false, and I would think that a genuine prophet of a god would speak the truth much more often than you seem capable of. Since you do not speak the truth that often, I find it difficult to believe your ego when your ego tells me you are a prophet.

The problem with your type is you are so prepared to believe you are exalted by your deities, and yet you are so full of BS.

 

[keithnurse]

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything I've said to be lies. All you've proven is that i'm right about how prophets are treated. So thank you.

How convenient. If we reject what you say we are closed minded. So it couldn't have anything to do with how poor your reasoning ability is or that your statements are full of nonsequitors, statements that beg the question, arguments from silence, and many other errors of reasoning.

 

[J Bryson]

Prophecy =/= Points that can be refuted by anyone who's cracked a book on philosophy, logic, or theology.

 

[Carico]

You're right. It's very difficult to prove something is a lie and I have not myself proved that you are a liar. At least not yet. But much of what you have said is false, and I would think that a genuine prophet of a god would speak the truth much more often than you seem capable of. Since you do not speak the truth that often, I find it difficult to believe your ego when your ego tells me you are a prophet.

:biglaugh::biglaugh:So what you're saying is that you don't mind saying that I make false statements that you can't prove. That means that you don't mind slandering people because slander is making statements about people that you can't prove. Sorry, but slander is not a valid argument. So try again.

 

[J Bryson]

:biglaugh::biglaugh:So what you're saying is that you don't mind saying that I make false statements that you can't prove. That means that you don't mind slandering people because slander is making statements about people that you can't prove. Sorry, but slander is not a valid argument. So try again.

Slander is not making false statements about another. Slander involves knowingly making defamatory false statements about another with malice aforethought.

 

[Sunstone]

:biglaugh::biglaugh:So what you're saying is that you don't mind saying that I make false statements that you can't prove. That means that you don't mind slandering people because slander is making statements about people that you can't prove. Sorry, but slander is not a valid argument. So try again.

You have just said that I cannot prove you have made any false statements. But I can, and I already have, proved that you have made false statements. A real prophet of a real god would not tell falsehoods, as you have just done. So it is obvious that you are not a real prophet and your god is false.

 

[Carico]

Slander is not making false statements about another. Slander involves knowingly making defamatory false statements about another with malice aforethought.

So then according to your "reasoning" I can pass it around that your mother is a **** with no proof for my claims and that would be considered valid. Is that correct? No. Accusing people of lying without proof for your claims is only done to be malicious since it isn't based on fact. So until you make a true statement, your posts are NWR.

 

[Autodidact]

You can find the answers in Leviticus and Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 make it crystal clear that men having sex with men is not only a sin, but in OT times, homosexuals were put to death.

That's how much God hates homosexuality. And the reason he hates it is that He designed the sexual union between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage to be an earthly shadow of our relationship and union with God. That's why God refers to Judah and Jerusalem as women and Israel's unfaithfulness to God as adultery. God's chosen are also referred to as the bride of Christ and the bride is always a woman in the bible.

So the sexual union is much more than just lust to God. Those who value their bodies, their eternal souls and God also value the sexual union more than just lust as well. But those who see lust as nothing more than animal instincts or desires of the flesh will not only abuse God's design, they'll flaunt the fact they they love to abuse God's design and use it for their own selfish sexual gratification instead of for the reason that God intended it to be used.

But make no mistake, God will not be mocked. He will not allow people to abuse His design or mock it without punishment whether they understand that or not.

I can read it for myself. Now I'm asking you what you believe. Is eating pork a sin? Trimming your beard? A woman wearing men's clothes? Divorce? Working on the sabbath?

So you endorse capital punishment for gay men?

And again, your views on Rev. Fred Phelps?

(Is it me, or it only religionists who lack the basic courtesy to answer a polite question?)

And since lesbianism is clearly not prohibited, who the heck do you think you are to usurp God's sole prerogative and dictate to Him what should be a sin?

 

[keithnurse]

So then according to your "reasoning" I can pass it around that your mother is a **** with no proof for my claims and that would be considered valid. Is that correct? No. Accusing people of lying without proof for your claims is only done to be malicious since it isn't based on fact. So until you make a true statement, your posts are NWR.

Or it could be that you are simply mistaken. I am convinced that you are sincere about your beliefs but sincerety is no guarantee of truth. You are sincerely wrong but not lying, just mistaken and utterly blinded by ideology.

 

[Autodidact]

Actually, many others have told me that my gift is prophesy. I don't want the gift because, as is obvious from this forum alone, prophets are hated, mocked, ridiculed, beaten tortured and sometimes killed. They never converted anyone because they spoke the word of God and no one wants to hear it. So I try to resist it but it only comes back stronger.

So I wouldn't wish this gift on my worst enemy. But the Spirit in me is strong, the flesh is weak. So the Spirit desires the gift, my flesh does not. But as Romans 14:29 says, God's gifts and His call are irrevocable. No one would keep enduring the mocking that I do if he were not forced to do it by the Spirit. That' alone is proof of God's existence.

You have the gift of prophecy?

 

[J Bryson]

So then according to your "reasoning" I can pass it around that your mother is a **** with no proof for my claims and that would be considered valid. Is that correct? No. Accusing people of lying without proof for your claims is only done to be malicious since it isn't based on fact. So until you make a true statement, your posts are NWR.

The statement would at least pass the test of being defamatory, and with malice aforethought. Also, to the best of your knowledge, it would be false. Therefore, it would be slander.

However, as she died many years ago, the statement--even if only used as an example--merely causes a hollow pain, and a bit of pity for you that you, a self-proclaimed Christian and prophet of God, would use such a scurrilous and juvenile insult in order to score points in an online chat.

 

[Autodidact]

Didn't you know that using bold, italic and underline, as well as smilies: hamster : makes your post true and your argument good?