Autodidact
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I am not J Bryson's sock-puppet!
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Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?
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Trey of Diamonds
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Heh, I'm tall, old, fat, sorta-Christian straight. We all have our crosses to bear. Besides, I hear Hell is one big polyamory.
J Bryson
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I am not J Bryson's sock-puppet!
Although oddly, I have been mistaken for a short, fat, Jewish dyke with a hot girlfriend.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Of course they are, everyone is hot in hell. I can't wait to get there. Anyone know when tickets go on sale?
Yes. Wearing two different kinds of materials symbolizes confusing God's perfect design. Without Christ's atonement, man has to perform rituals to make himself clean. But those rituals can't make man clean since he has to continue to follow them and if he doesn't make atonement for them, he has eternal death. So God ushered in the new covenant through sending His son to pay the price for all of man's uncleanness. If one rejects Christ's atonement, he remains unclean forever.
darkendless
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keithnurse
Active Member
I hope you don't have any cotton/polyester blend clothes or any other mixed fiber clothes or you'll go to hell. LOLOLOL
J Bryson
Well-Known Member
No problem, he's been saved. I wonder if the same would hold true for people in a committed gay relationship?
So... to break it down:
- if you've accepted Christ's atonement, your sins are paid for. You're free and clear.
- if you've rejected Christ's atonement, you're going to be unclear forever. No matter what you do, you're damned.
Effectively, in this system, the only "sin" that a person can commit is to reject Christ. Nothing else affects the punishment that a person receives. Why worry about homosexuality, then?
Autodidact
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Trey, would you please slap mball for me? Thanks.
Autodidact
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I'm confused. Is eating fried clams sin, or isn't it? What about mixed fiber clothing? Working on the sabbath? Men having sex with men?
Autodidact
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From my prior experience with Calvinists, and if I may for a moment articulate what I believe is Carico's perspective, homosexuality would indicate that one has not accepted Christ. Which begs the question, why doesn't eating bar-b-cue spare ribs indicate the same thing?
J Bryson
Well-Known Member
Despite what many fundamentalists claim, associating with you isn't making me gay. It is, however, making me hungry.
You can find the answers in Leviticus and Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 make it crystal clear that men having sex with men is not only a sin, but in OT times, homosexuals were put to death.
That's how much God hates homosexuality. And the reason he hates it is that He designed the sexual union between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage to be an earthly shadow of our relationship and union with God. That's why God refers to Judah and Jerusalem as women and Israel's unfaithfulness to God as adultery. God's chosen are also referred to as the bride of Christ and the bride is always a woman in the bible.
So the sexual union is much more than just lust to God. Those who value their bodies, their eternal souls and God also value the sexual union more than just lust as well. But those who see lust as nothing more than animal instincts or desires of the flesh will not only abuse God's design, they'll flaunt the fact they they love to abuse God's design and use it for their own selfish sexual gratification instead of for the reason that God intended it to be used.
But make no mistake, God will not be mocked. He will not allow people to abuse His design or mock it without punishment whether they understand that or not.
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They're free as long as you take a toaster into the bath with you next time
Doesn't the devil give you a toaster when you chose hell? Or is that just your banker?
Or, for a woman, teaching men (1 Tim 2:12).
Personally, I have no issue with this at all, but I do see a certain contradiction in taking Paul's opinion as the word of God in Romans but ignore it altogether in 1 Timothy.
Carico, do you consider yourself to be sinning when you try to teach men, as you're doing in this thread? If not, why not? The Bible prohibits this as clearly as lesbianism, and you've said that you're convinced that it's a sin.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
And yet here you are, abusing God's design by teaching men. Doesn't the Bible say that the man should be head of the woman as Christ is the head of the Church?
keithnurse
Active Member
Ooooooooh! I'm shaking! Caricos statement reminds me of people saying Katrina was a sign of God punishment on New Orleans. Ironically, the French Quarter, the gayest part of New Orleans, received the least amount of damage from Katrina. That FACT, if anything, would be a sign of Gods approval of the gay community. LOLOLOL:clap:clap
:clap:clapWomen can prophesy. So you have to know the difference between prophecy and teaching. Women can also teach men outside a church setting. Paul was describing an earthly protocol in churches just like a courtroom has a protocol in relation to the hierarchy of a courtroom. So it doesn't do any good to quote a book you don't believe because it's a house divided against itself and defeats your whole point.