Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[Alceste]

Because homosexual sex is one of the laws that pertain to Noahides (see Tractate Sanhedrin Chapter 7)

You do realize this amounts to saying "just because", right?
"How come you get four jelly beans and I only get two?"
"Because I said so."
"How come Jimmy gets to stay up and I have to go to bed?"
"Because I said so."
"How come the Jewish law on homosexuality applies to you and the Jewish law on skin diseases doesn't?"
"Because the Tracate Sanhedrin Chapter 7 says so."

I have a hard time talking to people who don't (or won't, or can't) think, and describe the process of thinking that brought them to arrive at their views. :sorry1: I've made my point. I'll leave you to your sheep-like submission, and hope for your own sake your trust in authority is never abused by your human masters.

 

[Caladan]

Now, to be clear, I am not questioning the right to spread this nonsense.

I do.
It used to be lawful and alright to promote state sponsored discrimination against African Americans.

 

[darkendless]

I do.
It used to be lawful and alright to promote state sponsored discrimination against African Americans.

According to the bible it should still be like this.

I wonder who's making the decisions on what moral agenda's the christians are going to fight, and which ones they're going to ignore? Either may its an easy job because picking and choosing is what they do best.

 

[whereismynotecard]

I think it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. I think it supports and contributes to prejudice against and ignorance of homosexuality. I think spreading the idea, that homosexuality is a sin, is harmful to many, especially gay youths (who are not worldly enough to see past the nonsense).

I want to know what other think about this.

Now, to be clear, I am not questioning the right to spread this nonsense. I understand freedom of expression and its importance. But just because something is lawful that does not mean it is right.

Well, I don't believe in right and wrong, but I do think spreading the idea that there is something wrong with being gay is mean. Saying such things doesn't do any good to anyone. It just makes people more intolerant of each other and makes people feel alienated. To take something someone feels strongly about, such as their sexuality, and lable it as a sin or as wrong is just mean. There is no good reason to do it.

 

[logician]

There is no such thing as "sin", other than a concept to put people on a guilt trip. Homosexuality is just another form of sexual behavior.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Is it wrong to tell a person that it's a sin to be who they are? That's certainly debatable. However, I believe that it would be wrong to do so.

Anything that goes against the will of God is sinful. What can humanity profit in terms of human reproduction from the act of homosexuality? it is against God's creation and therefore sinful.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

There is no such thing as "sin", other than a concept to put people on a guilt trip.

Actually there is. Sin does not need to be tied to religion, it's just the breaking of a law -in the case of religion a moral rule, law or commandment.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Homosexuality: the quality or state of being homosexual

There is nothing wrong with telling a person it is wrong to engage in homosexual sex if that is what one believes. It is wrong to tell a person that being a homosexual is wrong.

Sounds quite like the same to me, in any event it's the characteristics that describes the act. Then, perhaps it's the characteristic that needs to be condemn as it's against the norm of morality.

 

[Alceste]

Anything that goes against the will of God is sinful. What can humanity profit in terms of human reproduction from the act of homosexuality? it is against God's creation and therefore sinful.

And if your God does not exist - if your religion is an entirely human creation, then what?

 

[slave2six]

Anything that goes against the will of God is sinful. What can humanity profit in terms of human reproduction from the act of homosexuality? it is against God's creation and therefore sinful.

Is it against God's law of creation for animals to eat their young or for a female mantis to kill her mate during copulation? Just because it's gross to you does not mean that it is against nature.

 

[whereismynotecard]

Anything that goes against the will of God is sinful. What can humanity profit in terms of human reproduction from the act of homosexuality? it is against God's creation and therefore sinful.

Even if that were true, what good does it do to put people down by telling them how "sinful" they are? If they want to be what you think is sinful, just let them.

You are then sinful for being on the internet. You being on the internet is also not profiting humanity in terms of human reproduction, sinner. You could be out having sex and reproducing, so why aren't you? You're wasting valuable time that you could be using to further overpopulate this planet with more humans.

 

[Alceste]

You are then sinful for being on the internet. You being on the internet is also not profiting humanity in terms of human reproduction, sinner. You could be out having sex and reproducing, so why aren't you? You're wasting valuable time that you could be using to further overpopulate this planet with more humans.

:biglaugh:

:clap

 

[whereismynotecard]

:biglaugh:

:clap

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

 

[Sunstone]

Anything that goes against the will of God is sinful.

Of course, you very conveniently know the will of god. Even assuming your deity existed, it is entirely unlikely that He was ever foolish enough to attempt to reveal His will to you.

 

[strange]

I was talking to TheKnight, who follows Judaism. Roamans is from the New Testament, as such, I would assume he does not recognize that as scripture. Therefor his interpretation still seems off.

Thanks, I missed that, sorry.

 

[TheKnight]

I have a hard time talking to people who don't (or won't, or can't) think, and describe the process of thinking that brought them to arrive at their views. :sorry1: I've made my point. I'll leave you to your sheep-like submission, and hope for your own sake your trust in authority is never abused by your human masters.

This isn't a discussion about why I believe in Judaism. It's a discussion about whether or not it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. The topic has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is actually a sin. That's not a factor. The topic is not even about the veracity of those opinions which view homosexuality as a sin. The topic is entirely about whether or not it is wrong to tell another person that what they are doing is wrong when it comes to homosexuality.

I've already answered that question when I told Jeremiah that for him to say "It is wrong for you to tell someone else what is wrong" is hypocrisy. To say it's wrong to tell someone else that something is wrong is to commit the very wrong that you're saying is wrong.

 

[Alceste]

This isn't a discussion about why I believe in Judaism. It's a discussion about whether or not it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. The topic has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is actually a sin. That's not a factor. The topic is not even about the veracity of those opinions which view homosexuality as a sin. The topic is entirely about whether or not it is wrong to tell another person that what they are doing is wrong when it comes to homosexuality.

I've already answered that question when I told Jeremiah that for him to say "It is wrong for you to tell someone else what is wrong" is hypocrisy. To say it's wrong to tell someone else that something is wrong is to commit the very wrong that you're saying is wrong.

That's not what he said though, he specifically said "Is it wrong to advocate that homosexuality is a sin". He didn't say it's wrong to tell anyone that anything is wrong. Here in the real world, the "wrongness" of any action is related to its potential for harmful consequences. There are no harmful consequences to homosexuality that are not exactly the same for heterosexuals (in fact, heterosexuals are worse off on one count: unplanned pregnancy), therefore it isn't any more wrong than heterosexuality, and may be slightly less wrong. Saying that it is wrong even though this is obviously not the case is unethical on two counts: 1) you're lying, and lying is harmful to you, in that the only things you have that are of real value in life are your integrity and credibility. 2) Your words have the potential to be hurtful and alienating to others, especially to young homosexuals who have not yet realized they are not alone.

 

[Jeremiah]

I do.
It used to be lawful and alright to promote state sponsored discrimination against African Americans.

I would never soil myself to sink to their level. By reciprocating in the same manner, making laws to discrimination against bigots, we'd be no better then they are. We should not let them drives us to compromise our freedom of speech, in any manner, or discrimination has won.

 

[TheKnight]

That's not what he said though, he specifically said "Is it wrong to advocate that homosexuality is a sin". He didn't say it's wrong to tell anyone that anything is wrong. Here in the real world, the "wrongness" of any action is related to its potential for harmful consequences. There are no harmful consequences to homosexuality that are not exactly the same for heterosexuals (in fact, heterosexuals are worse off on one count: unplanned pregnancy), therefore it isn't any more wrong than heterosexuality, and may be slightly less wrong. Saying that it is wrong even though this is obviously not the case is unethical on two counts: 1) you're lying, and lying is harmful to you, in that the only things you have that are of real value in life are your integrity and credibility. 2) Your words have the potential to be hurtful and alienating to others, especially to young homosexuals who have not yet realized they are not alone.

Same thing really. How a person defines right and wrong is up to the individual for the most part. However, to try and use your opinion of right and wrong to judge someone else is relatively hypocritical if your own view of right and wrong is one of non-judgment.

You say that I am lying, however, in order for a person to lie they must first know the truth and then knowing that it is the truth disregard it. I simply don't accept your standard of right and wrong as truth. My words have the potential to be harmful,I agree, but so do plenty of other good things. The fact that something has the potential to be harmful does not mean that it is. From my experience, my words are not harmful when spoken in an appropriate context and in a kind manner.

 

[jtartar]

I think it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. I think it supports and contributes to prejudice against and ignorance of homosexuality. I think spreading the idea, that homosexuality is a sin, is harmful to many, especially gay youths (who are not worldly enough to see past the nonsense).

I want to know what other think about this.

Now, to be clear, I am not questioning the right to spread this nonsense. I understand freedom of expression and its importance. But just because something is lawful that does not mean it is right.

Jeremiah,
The determining factor of what is right and wrong is God's right to determine.
Interestingly, there is a term; decisionism, which means that whatever the legislature decides is right or wrong. That may be for people of this world, but God's people are NOT of this world, just as Jesus was NOT, John 15:18-21, James 4:4, 1John 2:15-17.
The rulers of this world do not know what they are doing when they make laws that directly go against God's laws. They will pay for their ignorance!!
We get a very clear idea of what God thinks of homosexual acts by what He has had recorded in His word, the Bible, Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13. This is also in the Christian Greek Scriptures, Rom 1:26,27,33, 1Cor 6:9-11, 1Tim 1:9,10.
True Christians speak the truth, John 4:23,24, 18:36,37, Heb 10:38,39. God hates liers, Ps 5:6, Rev 20:8.