outhouse
Atheistically
and by all credible accounts Abraham never existed
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Is Jesus God?
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and by all credible accounts Abraham never existed
lostwanderingsoul
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Is there a credible account that "Outhouse" ever existed?
outhouse
Atheistically
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
OK Thanks
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Does that mean that, before T.P., you are?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
From (Paul Pavao) Christian history for every man:
"In eternity past, God's Logos (his Word) was inside him, then in some manner beyond our understanding he generated/begat/emitted his Word as the Son of God.
Theophilus, bishop of Antioch around AD 170, wrote, "John says, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,' showing that at first God was alone and the Word in him." (To Autolycus. II:22.)
Tertullian, who wrote just after AD 200, said, "Before all things, God was alone ... Yet even then he was not alone because he had with him that which he possessed in himself, that is to say, his own Reason." (Against Praxeas. Ch. 5. Tertullian wrote in Latin, and he preferred "Reason" to "Word" when translating Logos.)
This did not divide God into two. The Son was begotten like a stream issues forth from a spring, or a beam comes from the sun. The spring and stream are one and of the same substance, but they are also two, a spring and a stream.
The early Christians did not use the apple or egg illustration like modern Christians do. The shell, white, and yolk of the egg are indeed three parts making up one whole, but they can be separated. You can take the shell off the egg, then separate the yolk from the white. This would have been unacceptable to them.
They liked the spring/stream illustration. They also used the sun and its beam as an illustration and a tree that grows up from the root. All of these illustrations are of a relationship that cannot be divided. The connection and the flow from the Father to the Son goes on always."
"In eternity past, God's Logos (his Word) was inside him, then in some manner beyond our understanding he generated/begat/emitted his Word as the Son of God.
Theophilus, bishop of Antioch around AD 170, wrote, "John says, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,' showing that at first God was alone and the Word in him." (To Autolycus. II:22.)
Tertullian, who wrote just after AD 200, said, "Before all things, God was alone ... Yet even then he was not alone because he had with him that which he possessed in himself, that is to say, his own Reason." (Against Praxeas. Ch. 5. Tertullian wrote in Latin, and he preferred "Reason" to "Word" when translating Logos.)
This did not divide God into two. The Son was begotten like a stream issues forth from a spring, or a beam comes from the sun. The spring and stream are one and of the same substance, but they are also two, a spring and a stream.
The early Christians did not use the apple or egg illustration like modern Christians do. The shell, white, and yolk of the egg are indeed three parts making up one whole, but they can be separated. You can take the shell off the egg, then separate the yolk from the white. This would have been unacceptable to them.
They liked the spring/stream illustration. They also used the sun and its beam as an illustration and a tree that grows up from the root. All of these illustrations are of a relationship that cannot be divided. The connection and the flow from the Father to the Son goes on always."
Keithrcpick.
New Member
If Jesus was god, why did he deny it to his apostles when He asked them what or who the people thought and were saying that He was.....Aye... I think those Ideas were introduce by the Roma Catholics later, to support their (Roman)Belief in a god king.... the Roman believed such, and Paul had to do something to convert Romans into the New Religion He was Formulating. Jesus Said He Was The "Word".... and The Son of Man.... no confusion there.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Jesus is God.
It's obvious that you don't believe the Scriptures are inspired by God. Therefore, it would be pointless for me to debate what the Scriptures say or don't say with an unbeliever.
You should know, however, that the Roman Catholic church didn't come into existence until several centuries after Arius and the Council of Nicea, though they love to take credit for it. Their claim of being the true church is HOGWASH. A careful study of church history will prove that the RC church is a false church to the honest hearted person.
A careful study of pre Nicene Christians will show you that the early church unanimously believed that Jesus was God. It was Arius who claimed that Jesus was created from matter. Arius was condemned for this false teaching. Unfortunately, his doctrine was resurrected by the group who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.
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moorea944
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I think it's obvious that he does believe that the scriptures are inspired by God. Sounds like he believes that Jesus is the son of God and the son of man.... Which is correct. Can you show us a verse that says "Jesus is God"? Or "God the son"?
Keithrcpick.
New Member
I Believe in the Ten Commandments ..... I Believe in Jesus as the Teacher... "The Word" I believe that when one reads the Bible ...Both... One should remember that they are basically a collection of Documents saved though the ages, and with an Open, Questioning Mind that One Uses to Read and also read between the lines. Through the Ages, only the Ten Commandments have not been Changed, and Revolve around Love and Respect... Not Killing and disrespect. Jesus Said He came to Explain the Law(Ten Commandments) of Moses .... Not Change It.... How have We Changed it through Christianity, and Kill with Vanity in My Lord Universal Creating Spirit's Name.... What Name Did My Lord Tell Moses?? ...“I AM WHO I AM” ....(www.patheos.com/blogs/.../what-does-yahweh-mean-a-biblical-study/)...... anyway ... replying to your assumption about my beliefs ... Katiemygirl.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Do you believe all Scripture (including Paul's letters) is inspired by God? A simple yes or no will do.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
We shall wait for his response to my question, "Do you believe all Scripture (including Paul's letters) is inspired by God?"
Yes, Jesus was in a spirit form or a spirit body before God sent Jesus to earth.
According to Psalms 90:2 God had No beginning.
Only God our Creator existed ' before ' the beginning.
Jesus did Not exist ' before that beginning ' because Jesus - Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 - is the beginning of the creation by God.
So, Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
The same Greek grammar rule applies at John 1:1 and at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B.
In English the KJV Bible omits the ' a ' at John but adds the ' a ' at Acts.
Didn't John 1:18 believe No one can see God?_______ Didn't people see Jesus, and live - 1 John 4:12; Exodus 33:20
Keithrcpick.
New Member
I Believe that Paul(Saul) of Tarsus was a Roman(Jewish) infiltrator(Spy), who was charged by the Roman authority to Infiltrate Jewish "Nationalist" movements within the Roman Territory's, and his orders were to infiltrate the New following of the newly executed Rabbi Jesus, the rumored self styled king of the Jews whom his followers are saying has risen from the Dead and is going to cause a Jewish Revolt and a rumored grab for Power. Paul Succeeded, and started making changes, to the anger of Peter and the Church in Jerusalem, not only because Paul was making changes contrary to Jewish religious tradition, which Jesus grew up as part of, But Paul Wanted to take the teachings of Jesus, to Rome!! and the Gentiles... Unheard of...they said... But Paul, with the help of Changes to the Teachings etc, and some High Roman Citizen conventions, manages to start a New movement... Christians. which the evolved into the Roman Catholic Church... and the rest is History so to speak...lol
Keithrcpick.
New Member
The "Word" is The "Word" and My Lord Universal Creating Spirit Only Need to Imagine the "Word" and The Word Will Be Created as My Lord Imagine So. We to are Created from That "Word" and So are ALL Life on This Planet our Mother Earth, and Throughout the Whole Known and Unknown Universe. We are Made From a Sequence of "Code".... My Lord's "Word".
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
God has given you free will to believe how you want. What you have written is not found in His holy Scriptures, therefore, is meaningless for me. Your beliefs are based on your own wisdom. I choose to base my beliefs on His Word. That said, you and I have no common ground for debate of Scripture. I believe in them. You do not. I wish you the best.
Keithrcpick.
New Member
I Believe in Wisdom, Questioning, Reading Between the lines to try to get the true meaning of any Scripture, because I believe that they were transcribed by Man, I do Believe and Recognize the Ten Commandment as the Only Part of the Old Testament that would Be Holy in My Eyes Because it is an Unusual Document that Revolves Around Love and Respect for Each other As Well as the "Creator Spirit." the rest of the Bible is a History of the Jewish People.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Long before the Council at Nicea, the early Christians (taught by the apostles) believed and taught Jesus is God. And rightfully so. The Scriptures call Jesus "God" several times.
Arius made the claim that Jesus was "created" from nothing, yet we are told in the Scriptures that the Word was with God from the beginning. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God."
Arius was excommunicated for his claim that Jesus was created from nothing. Russell resurrected the heresy in the later 1800's and the result was the sect known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here is how I understand it.
In eternity past, God's Logos (his Word) was inside him, then in some manner beyond our understanding God generated/begat/ emitted his Word as the Son of God.
Many years before the Council at Nicea (325 A.D.), Theophilus, bishop of Antioch around AD 170, wrote this,
"John says, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,' showing that at first God was alone and the Word in him." (To Autolycus. II:22.)
Tertullian, who wrote just after AD 200, said, "Before all things, God was alone ... Yet even then he was not alone because he had with him that which he possessed in himself, that is to say, his own Reason." (Against Praxeas. Ch. 5. Tertullian wrote in Latin, and he preferred the term "Reason" to "Word" when translating Logos.)
The Son was begotten like a stream issues forth from a spring, or a beam comes from the sun. The spring and stream are one and of the same substance, but they are also two, a spring and a stream.
If you are ever considering examining this topic from all sides, then you may want to look at how the early Christians viewed Jesus. You can easily find their writings by doing a google search.
When I think of the Logos (the Word, Jesus) being inside God, in the beginning, it's easy to understand that Jesus was begotten, begat, or emitted, and not created from nothing.
Something for you to consider!
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Bottom line: You reject the inspiration of the holy Scriptures.
Apparently Arius did Not take into consideration Isaiah 40:26 because God created everything out of His abundant ' power ' and ' strength ' - Jeremiah 27:5; Jeremiah 32:17
So, God supplied the needed dynamic energy in the creation of the material/ physical world - Psalms 104:30
Yes, in the beginning was the Word. It does Not say ' before ' the beginning was the Word.
Only God was before the beginning - Psalms 90:2 - so Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Who is God talking to at Genesis 1:26 ? _________Surely God was Not talking to Himself, but to another.
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God according to Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B
Did people see Jesus? ______ John wrote - John 1:18 - No one sees God, but people saw Jesus. See also 1 John 4:12 and Exodus 33:20