You are conflating two assertions I made. One is that masturbation ultimately serves no good purposes and the other is that masturbation can be harmful. Both are correct. Masturbation is hedonistic and unnecessary.
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Is masturbating bad at all ?
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There are many things more important than feeling good. If something, such as masturbation, can be harmful, which it can be, that is a reason to avoid or minimize it despite its momentary pleasantness.
That does not make any difference to the fact that they are benefits.
As I have stated previously, there can be harmful side effects. Here is a question. Since there are possible harmful side effects, why not just be safer and abstain from masturbation? There is one possible answer to that question that masturbators don't want to admit. They can't stop because of compulsion or addiction.
The assertions you made aren't mutually exclusive. You've already been given examples ITT of "good purpose(s)," so that renders that assertion incorrect. I've already addressed the assertion of potential harm and asked a question, which you chose to disregard entirely.
First, "hedonistic and unnecessary" is not the same as "serves no good purposes and can be harmful." Second, while I agree it is hedonistic, there are those that equate pleasure with happiness. So while it may be unnecessary to you, that does not mean it's unnecessary to everyone. Stop imposing your personal standards and principles upon others.
Tomef
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Not to say institutional religion hasn't served some purposes, primarily in organising post-agricultural societies along lines that have led to some real benefits, but the true evil of organised religions - or the Abrahamic ones anyway, not sure about the others - is this obsession with what other people do with their bodies. In Christianity its roots seem to be in the sexual obsessions and misogyny of characters like Augustine, and in the support by the church of their patrons among the rich and influential, who needed a means to control their serfs (etc). Labelling masturbation as evil is a kind of spiritual bone (pardon the pun) thrown to those who want to create some individual sense of acting meaningfully within the theatre of religion. If you don't jerk off, you are demonstrating your spiritual depth, but watch out, satan wants you to play with your privates! It's one of the ways religion seeks to substitute real thought and depth with trivial rules to keep followers dependent and deluded.
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You have not yet told me what these side effects are.
Alien826
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You know, there are dozens of things we humans do that could be described like that. I enjoy alcoholic drinks in moderation. It does me no harm and yet there are people whose lives are, directly or indirectly, ruined by alcoholism. Does that mean I should abstain because drinking, like so many other things, can be harmful if done to excess or in the wrong way?
I'll suggest another benefit of masturbation. Sex is a natural bodily function and creates very strong urges, designed that way by nature to ensure the continuation of the species. Unfortunately many people spend long periods of time unable to find a willing partner for sex. This also applies within marriage, as the sex drives of the partners can vary, both in intensity and frequency. So why deny this (mostly) harmless release to them?
While we are talking about harm, masturbation is the safest form of sexual activity. It doesn't spread disease. It doesn't cause unwanted pregnancy. It doesn't cause emotional distress to another person.
Back when I was first having sexual feelings, the dictionary definition of masturbation was "self abuse". That pretty much summed up the general attitude toward it, which was that it was "wrong" and "dirty" to touch oneself "down there". This attitude was passed down by parents to their children from one generation to the next. Strange ideas like making you blind were invented to discourage young people from doing it. We have mostly moved on from this, I think. Medical professionals tell us it is generally harmless. I doubt that most parents outside strict religious communities still pass it down to their children. But it still seems to hang on with some of we "old folks". No judgment of you intended, I don't know you at all.
When I researched about human trafficking, I found masturbation leads to watching porn which leads to seeking escorts. Escorts - leads to human trafficking for where there is demand, there is exploitation. This is not true of all people, but a great portion of those who masturbate, will watch porn, and great amount of those will seek escorts/prostitutes.
What is worse, is when people go that route, some of them begin to get child fetishes. And there human trafficking in that.
I think the two places Quran talks about hijaab and etiquette sexually is Surah Noor and Surah Ahzab. Both these places there is a contrast to those who are forced to prostitution (Surah Noor) and Hijab as distinction from slaves and who aren't free (Surah Ahzab).
Not all escorts and strippers are human trafficked. But how many are, you will get different numbers from "academics" and those who are involved in trying to end human trafficking or help victims of it.
When I saw what Natives say about in North America, it seems they believe politicians are in on it and there is hiding of what is really going on and it's more severe than what they show. Every time there is a case where someone is arrested in these big human exploitation things, they dismiss easily in the media. The Natives see it as ongoing part of exploitation and imperialism.
In Africa, it's even worst, in that there is organ human trafficking. That so far, is not something caught in the west. But who knows if it happens here or not.
What is worse, is when people go that route, some of them begin to get child fetishes. And there human trafficking in that.
I think the two places Quran talks about hijaab and etiquette sexually is Surah Noor and Surah Ahzab. Both these places there is a contrast to those who are forced to prostitution (Surah Noor) and Hijab as distinction from slaves and who aren't free (Surah Ahzab).
Not all escorts and strippers are human trafficked. But how many are, you will get different numbers from "academics" and those who are involved in trying to end human trafficking or help victims of it.
When I saw what Natives say about in North America, it seems they believe politicians are in on it and there is hiding of what is really going on and it's more severe than what they show. Every time there is a case where someone is arrested in these big human exploitation things, they dismiss easily in the media. The Natives see it as ongoing part of exploitation and imperialism.
In Africa, it's even worst, in that there is organ human trafficking. That so far, is not something caught in the west. But who knows if it happens here or not.
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Tomef
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What? This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read all year. Or ever. Where did you read this idiocy?
Do your research. I took a class that was about security and sex. It was a class both in "human rights" category and "sexual studies". Whether you hate the fact, does not change it. Of course, the professor didn't show me this, but my final essay, I did research and saw this to be true.
From sites of those trying to expose and end human trafficking.
Tomef
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Oh come on, the Koran and related histories contain numerous examples of violent rape, pedophilia and murder of women and children involving the prophet and his followers. Mohammed actively encouraged men to continue raping women whose families they had killed when they felt bad about getting them pregnant (although not about raping them), calling it ‘god’s work’.
Tomef
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Fact my ***. Your ‘research’ means looking for other idiots with the same backward notions writing about their idiotic fantasies. Let’s have your sources, what have you got?
I disagree with that analysis. I believe Mauwiya and Yazid started this and faked hadiths about it. Of course, part of the seeds of evil, was by Umar who said Muta was abrogated. Then people tried to interpret all the verses about Muta which is the second form of Malakat aymanihim in a bad manner. Eventually, slavery became part of the translations and people believe that God permitted slavery.
That and the sorcery was done to blind people to the truth in this regard.
However, I've made threads where I try to prove slavery was never permitted by God. I can link you to those threads. But it's off topic here.
People in the work of helping people get out of human trafficking are not idiots. They are probably the very few humans who care about this while everyone else is putting their heads in the ground like ostriches.
Tomef
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There are numerous examples of historical fact you would have to disagree with. There are no examples, at least in this universe, of Mohammed and his followers not being a gang of rapists and murderers. There are so many sources - Islamic historical sources for the most part - on this that it seems trite to have to point to any, but any of the histories of various campaigns and sieges would do it. Not that the crusaders, and other Christian movements, were any less violent, but it’s daft to judge sexual morals on the basis of a religion with origins steeped in sexual violence.
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You depending on winner side history though. They who supported the killers of Hussain (a) and his chosen descendants (a).
Tomef
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Anyone who believes human trafficking originates in masturbation is incapable of meaningful thought.
Sources please, I want to see where you got these ideas from.
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