Is Russia had right to afraid from West agenda? ?

[Estro Felino]

Do you see some problem in Crimea that should
be currently addressed by NATO? I don't know
why you focus upon Crimea when Ukraine is
invaded by & at war with Russia.

Nowadays the matter is the two Donbas Republics.
Let there be referendums and decide who they want to be with.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Nowadays the matter is the two Donbas Republics.
Let there be referendums and decide who they want to be with.

If this were true, why did Russia attack the whole country of Ukraine and not just the two regions?

 

[Revoltingest]

Nowadays the matter is the two Donbas Republics.
Let there be referendums and decide who they want to be with.

Hold a referendum as Russia is shelling cities
& shooting people? That doesn't sound like
the result would represent people in a pre-invasion
Ukraine. It would smack of coercion.

There's another problem too....is it wise to let
one country decide that another country should
hold referendums on secession? I don't think
any country would agree to allow another to
impose that upon them.

 

[Stevicus]

Are you claiming that because Putin is being compared
to Hitler, that Germany should be seen as posing the
same threat that Nazi Germany did?

I'm just saying that the situation should be seen as it is, not as people imagine it to be based on wild speculation and historical associations designed to spark emotion rather than rational thought.

The Putin-Hitler analogy is just that...a comparison, &
nothing more. I predict possible Putin behaviors based
upon his history, agendas, actions, & statements.

It's a cheap and easy way of stoking hatred among the masses. That's why it's such a widely-used tactic and comparison. Some people use it thinking they've scored a "zing," such as people who compare COVID vaccines to the Holocaust.

I asked because of how your advocacy appears to me.

Why does that matter anyway? What is the goal of saying that? Are you trying to root out spies? You think I'm Boris Badenov and @Estro Felino is Natasha Fatale?

Russia is Pottsylvania.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm just saying that the situation should be seen as it is, not as people imagine it to be based on wild speculation and historical associations designed to spark emotion rather than rational thought.

To see the situation as it is shouldn't include
treating NATO Germany as Nazi Germany.

It's a cheap and easy way of stoking hatred among the masses. That's why it's such a widely-used tactic and comparison. Some people use it thinking they've scored a "zing," such as people who compare COVID vaccines to the Holocaust.

The Putin-Hitler analogy looks far more cromulent than
the vaccine-Holocaust analogy IMO. Are you saying
they're similar or equivalent?

Why does that matter anyway?

It doesn't.
But I was curious about your seeming rather
cagey about proffering many pro-Russian
anti-NATO factoids.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why does that matter anyway? What is the goal of saying that? Are you trying to root out spies? You think I'm Boris Badenov and @Estro Felino is Natasha Fatale?

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LoL...
Papadopolous's wife is from Naples ...
They thought she was a Russian spy...

 

[Estro Felino]

There's another problem too....is it wise to let
one country decide that another country should
hold referendums on secession? I don't think
any country would agree to allow another to
impose that upon them.

Spain is against it, indeed.
It depends...I am for a independence referendum in South Tyrol.

 

[Revoltingest]

Spain is against it, indeed.
It depends...I am for a independence referendum in South Tyrol.

Italy & S Tyrol will do
what Italy & S Tyrol will do.

 

[Mock Turtle]

@Mock Turtle , why gang up against Russia?Yes, we take the sensibilities of our neighbors into consideration.

Not sure that is appropriate (ganging up), since no doubt the same applied in 1956 with Hungary and in 1968 with Czechoslovakia as to the world condemning such behaviour - bullying, and in this case even worse. Why wouldn't nations do so? I think it is more seen as an unprovoked attack, and perhaps more down to one individual's delusional beliefs than much else.

 

[stvdv]

The issue is, that Russia is not under any threat from the west, a buffer zone such as Ukraine makes hardly any difference in a world today when you can launch missiles half across the world or when planes can easily cover great distances

The issue is not what the general idea is or what common sense is. If Putin perceives it as a threat, then he will act on it as a threat.

Does not matter if I think "Putin you have watched too many horror movies, I am definitely not a threat to you", all what matters is how Putin perceives it, because he will use his own feelings to determine to nuke the West or not, hence the importance to take the feelings from others always serious and not belittle their feelings.

Children sometimes have, in our eyes, absurd fears, but still a good parent takes it serious. Some grown ups still have childish fears, and still these fears can go nuclear

 

[Mock Turtle]

The issue is not what the general idea is or what common sense is. If Putin perceives it as a threat, then he will act to it as a threat.

Does not matter if I think "Putin you have watched too many horror movies, I am definitely not a threat to you", all what matters is how Putin perceives it, because he will use his own feelings to determine to nuke the West or not, hence the importance to take the feelings from others always serious and not belittle their feelings.

Children sometimes have, in our eyes, absurd fears, but still a good parent takes it serious. Some grown ups still have childish fears, and still these fears can go nuclear

So he is delusional? Not good for a leader. Since obviously the Ukraine WAS no threat to Putin or Russia.

Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and are members of NATO. Not notice this?

 

[Godobeyer]

Russia had installed nuclear weapons in Cuba. These
are first strike weapons.
Ukraine has no nukes or first strike capability. So it poses
no threat to Russia....except to Russian soldiers who invade
Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.

There are threat by ukraine president ask for nuclear weapon.
Also. Why West. Install missiles in. Borders of Russia. If they don't consider Russia as Enemy!?

Ukraine to destroy Russia? Do you have a world map?

ciao

- viole

Should west used map next time.Play far from Russia.
This the result provoking Russia.
Is Russia invade Ukraine because it's just next to Russia? No threaten!?

 

[Mock Turtle]

There are threat by ukraine president ask for nuclear weapon.

Should west used map next time.Play far from Russia.
This the result provoking Russia.
Is Russia invade Ukraine because it's just next to Russia? No threaten!?

Where did you get this from - as to asking for nuclear weapons. The Ukraine had nuclear weapons and apparently gave them up when a guarantee was given as to the autonomy of the Ukraine - so no interference from Russia. It also seems that the Ukraine might still have the capacity to develop and/or make such weapons themselves.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and are members of NATO. Not notice this?

Do we know what Putin has in his mind?
His priority now is to change the current Ukrainian government, whether in Kyiv or somewhere else (that it might go if Kyiv falls).

 

[Revoltingest]

There are threat by ukraine president ask for nuclear weapon.

This arose after the existential threat posed
by Russia's invasion & assault on Ukraine.
It seems that Putin might've inspired the monster
that he had pretended to exist.
Ref....
President Zelensky Suggests Ukraine May Pursue Nuclear Weapons To Counter Russia, Putin Responds | The Daily Wire

Should west used map next time.Play far from Russia.
This the result provoking Russia.
Is Russia invade Ukraine because it's just next to Russia? No threaten!?

I don't understand this.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do we know what Putin has in his mind?
His priority now is to change the current Ukrainian government, whether in Kyiv or somewhere else (that it might go if Kyiv falls).

How do I know. But he is doing so much to destroy the reputation of Russia and trash the progress that was made over the last 30 years. Not notice his authoritarian nature developing over the last 20 years - as to reducing any democracy that might have developed? He's gone rogue.

 

[Ponder This]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

Nuclear Weapons are a big deal. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons at the Budapest Memorandum in an agreement with Russia and other nuclear powers. Now Belarus (another country bordering Russia) has approved a referendum to renounce its own non-nuclear status in order to discourage potential invasion into their country by Russia.

I definitely see a similarity with the U.S.-Cuba missile crisis, when Cuba sought nuclear weapon capability from Russia in order to deter U.S. aggression, except that Cuba no longer has a nuclear weapons program and the U.S. does not plan to invade Cuba.

But even if the invasion of Ukraine by Russia doesn't start World War III, the violation of the Budapest Memorandum demonstrates (yet again) that Russia does not honor (nuclear) non-proliferation agreements. Even if Russia is successful in taking Ukraine, I think that they have already lost long-term. I don't know if there will be a Russia in 30 to 50 years even if they veto every conceivable UN resolution. Russia is on a dangerously self-destructive path.

 

[Godobeyer]

The difference is that Russia only cares about neighboring countries.
The NATO goes anywhere.

Hillary Clinton : we came, we saw, he died.

RUSSIANS "sovietunion" LOST WAR IN Afghanistan due to. WESTERN intermediate.
Russia had right to don't trust Western agendas.

 

[viole]

Should west used map next time.Play far from Russia.
This the result provoking Russia.
Is Russia invade Ukraine because it's just next to Russia? No threaten!?

What threat? what provoking? Again, do you have a world map? Do you know how many weapons, and what kind of weapons, has Russia, and how many the Ukraine? Or are you just making things up?

Little reminder: Russia has enough weapons to destroy the entire world many times over. So, what kind of rational person would ever believe that a country like the Ukraine could be a threat to it?

Estonia is also bordering Russia. Do you think it could be a threat to Russia? I mean, the Russians must be terrified to be annihilated by Estonia. Don’t you think?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nakosis]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

Probably.
14 nations have joined NATO since 1990.
NATO is a threat to Russian influence of Europe.
Each nation that joins NATO diminishes that influence.
Just like the US, we want to increase our influence in Europe for our security.
Western culture seems a threat to Russian political power.