Is Satan capable of good?

[Colt]

Of course, what you've stated in all your posts are merely your religious beliefs and not definitive facts that should be stated as if they were absolute truth.

If Lucifer and his assistant Satan really knew the Father then surely, they would never attempt a rebellion against him. So, it's evident that they too lived by faith.

 

[Colt]

Yeah, hairstyle can be bald. So I would say atheism can be seen as a faith, in same way baldness can be seen as a hairstyle. But I don't see why they should be singled out and now allowed to express their views.

Luv that!!! Bald is a hairstyle too!!!! Thanks!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If Lucifer and his assistant Satan really knew the Father then surely, they would never attempt a rebellion against him. So, it's evident that they too lived by faith.

What is evident here is that you are still stating your personal religious beliefs as if they were definitive facts and absolute truth, which they are not.

 

[Link]

Luv that!!! Bald is a hairstyle too!!!! Thanks!

I did a typo, meant to say "not" instead of "now".

Yeah I see atheism as a religious view. But it's like baldness, it can be seen as hairstyle or lack of hair. Both are true.

 

[Colt]

What is evident here is that you are still stating your personal religious beliefs as if they were definitive facts and absolute truth, which they are not.

If Satan really knew God, would he attempt a coup de etat?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If Satan really knew God, would he really attempt a coup de etat?

Unlike you, I do not believe that Satan is a real entity, and I have my doubts that your God even exists. So you can stop imposing your beliefs on me.

 

[Colt]

Unlike you, I do not believe that Satan is a real entity, and I have my doubts that your God even exists. So you can stop imposing your beliefs on me.

Touchy?......btw, I wasn't talking to you before you barged in to impose your Atheist beliefs on me so.....

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Touchy?......btw, I wasn't talking to you before you barged in to impose your Atheist beliefs on me so.....

First, I'm not an atheist. Second, I didn't "barge in," because this is an open thread and anyone can participate in it. And third, if you stopped stating your personal religious beliefs as if they were definitive facts, then you wouldn't be called out on it or reminded that doing so violates Rule 8 of this forum.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

And the typical religious person at home minding their own business is not on RF disrespecting atheists, making up bs about them, misrepresenting them.

In fact most religious people here on RF are not making up bs about them amaking up bs about them and misrepresenting them.

But a few are

Well said, Christine. I wish that I could give you more than one winner frubal.

 

[dybmh]

Its not false, your interpretation is false.

I didn't interpret, I quoted the verses in 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles which indicate those deaths were a result of being attacked and defending themself. In 1 Kings 20, the wives and children were threatened. That's not interpretation, that's a direct quote.

20:1​

And Ben-Hadad the king of Aram gathered all his army together; and there were thirty two kings with him, and horses, and chariots; and he went up and besieged Samaria, and fought against it.​

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20:2​

And he sent messengers to Ahab king of Israel to the city, and said to him, Thus said Ben-Hadad,​

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20:3​

Your silver and your gold is mine; your wives also and your children, even the best, are mine.​

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Here's 2 Chron 14. Approx 600,000 soldiers were being attacked by 1,000,000 soldiers. God assisted the the 600,000 because they were being attacked. But you are ignoring that and claiming God killed these soldiers unjustly because it is blood thirsty. It's just plain nonsense.

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14:7​

And Asa had an army of men who carried targets and spears, three hundred thousand men from Judah; and two hundred and eighty thousand men from Benjamin, who carried shields and drew bows. All these were mighty men of valor.​

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14:8​

And there came against them Zerah the Ku****e with an army of a million men, and three hundred chariots; and came to Mareshah.​

So, why are you ignoring the story. Not an interpretation. The actual words of the story? You claim you knew this stuff right? So, what's the reason for ignoring the fact that a smaller army was attacked?

 

[sun rise]

Yeah, hairstyle can be bald. So I would say atheism can be seen as a faith, in same way baldness can be seen as a hairstyle. But I don't see why they should be singled out and not allowed to express their views.

Do you find this discussion from an Islamic perspective accurate? Shaitan - Wikipedia Iblis - Wikipedia ?

 

[dybmh]

Bs

It's true. You claimed that the story of Job was a bet. That's an imagined version of the story. And when challenged on it, you made something up about if God won the bet, God would be winning the right to murder, or something.

And then there's the atheist propaganda about God commanding capturing sex slaves. Your not entirely at fault here except that you believe the rumor and don't double check the facts.

And, no you didn't make up the number of kills made by God, you got it from social media, and automatically believed it. But you sure are defending it by manufacturing a narrative about a blood thirsty god. And you cannot seem to let go of the number or even question your source even though its been shown to be deeply flawed, 4 times now, I think.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I think not killing is good.

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There are a plethora of biblical stories of a sadistic, psychopathic, and genocidal God who commanded the Israelites to wipe other nations off the face of the earth. According to the Bible, God commanded the Israelites to wipe the Amalikites off the face of the earth (Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2–3) and told them, "Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’" (I Samuel 15:3). I wouldn't call this verse: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" (Psalm 137:9) a shining example of morality from the Bible either. FYI, "Violence in the Bible: Greatest Hits" has more examples of violence in the Bible.

According to the Bible, God is capable of hatred, jealousy, and wrath, and he committed global genocide. To be quite honest, I don't believe that anyone should derive their understanding of morality from the Bible. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't see a loving, merciful, and just God. How about you?

Bible verses on God's jealousy.

Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God."

Psalms 78:58 "For they provoked Him with their high places and aroused His jealousy with their graven images."

Exodus 20:5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me."

Exodus 34:13-14 "Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."

Deuteronomy 6:15 "for the Lord your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the Lord your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth."

Nahum 1:2 The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord is avenging and wrathful; the Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries and keeps wrath for his enemies.

Bible verses on God's wrath.

Nahum 1:6 "Who can withstand his indignation? Who can endure his fierce anger. His wrath is poured out like fire; the rocks are shattered before him."

Ezekiel 25:17 "I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon them.”

John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth."

Romans 12:19 "Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

Ephesians 5:6 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”

 

[Quagmire]

When they deliberately join a "religious forum" to promote Atheism that changes. If an atheist were home gardening and some JW's wondered into his yard to convert him then yeas, he's neutral, "leave me alone and stay out of my yard"!

Who's garden do you think this is?

You realize the 'religious' in religiousforums isn't an adjective, right?

 

[Colt]

Who's garden do you think this is?

You realize the 'religious' in religiousforums isn't an adjective, right?

Well sure, both the Atheist religion and theistic religions. The example I used was difficult for some to understand. Will try again. Some atheist just want to live their lives. They don’t join religious forums to promote Atheism.

 

[Quagmire]

Well sure, both the Atheist religion and theistic religions. The example I used was difficult for some to understand. Will try again. Some atheist just want to live their lives. They don’t join religious forums to promote Atheism.

No, the analogy you used is easy to understand, it's just off the mark.

When they deliberately join a "religious forum" to promote Atheism . . .

This isn't a 'religious forum', it's a forum about religion. Atheists have just as much business being here as anyone else.

Again: the 'religious' in the title isn't an adjective.

that changes. If an atheist were home gardening and some JW's wondered into his yard to convert him . . .

^Here's why I say your analogy doesn't work: if an atheist were home in his garden, it would obviously be his garden, and the religious person would be an intruder.

That isn't the case here. Religious people don't have any claim of ownership over RF, not any more than atheists do. This place is common ground, if it's a garden it's a community garden, and nobody who isn't an outright troll or a spammer is intruding.

then yeas, he's neutral, "leave me alone and stay out of my yard"!

"leave me alone and stay out of my yard" would sound pretty silly if the person shouting it were standing in the middle of a public park.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

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I think not killing is good.

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The only way you know these figures, Christine, is because the Bible ie., God’s own Word reveals them. (Otherwise we wouldn’t know.)

Ask yourself, “Why would He be so candid?”

 

[Colt]

No, the analogy you used is easy to understand, it's just off the mark.



This isn't a 'religious forum', it's a forum about religion. Atheists have just as much business being here as anyone else.

Again: the 'religious' in the title isn't an adjective.



^Here's why I say your analogy doesn't work: if an atheist were home in his garden, it would obviously be his garden, and the religious person would be an intruder.

That isn't the case here. Religious people don't have any claim of ownership over RF, not any more than atheists do. This place is common ground, if it's a garden it's a community garden, and nobody who isn't an outright troll or a spammer is intruding.




"leave me alone and stay out of my yard" would sound pretty silly if the person shouting it were standing in the middle of a public park.

I disagree, neutral atheists don’t join religious forums to promote Atheism and mock theists as they do here. Your adjective rationalization doesn’t hold water for the simple reason that atheist don’t see this place as a public park when they join, they see it as a religious park where they can antagonize theistic people.

 

[Colt]

No, the analogy you used is easy to understand, it's just off the mark.



This isn't a 'religious forum', it's a forum about religion. Atheists have just as much business being here as anyone else.

Again: the 'religious' in the title isn't an adjective.



^Here's why I say your analogy doesn't work: if an atheist were home in his garden, it would obviously be his garden, and the religious person would be an intruder.

That isn't the case here. Religious people don't have any claim of ownership over RF, not any more than atheists do. This place is common ground, if it's a garden it's a community garden, and nobody who isn't an outright troll or a spammer is intruding.




"leave me alone and stay out of my yard" would sound pretty silly if the person shouting it were standing in the middle of a public park.

I disagree, neutral atheists don’t join religious forums to promote Atheism and mock theists as they do here. Your adjective rationalization doesn’t hold water for the simple reason that atheist don’t see this place as a public park when they join, they see it as a religious park where they can antagonize theistic people.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

“Is Satan capable of good?”

Yes.

2 Corinthians 11:14,15
“And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.”