loverOfTruth
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I numbered these for easier reference.
1. Preservation of the Qur'an - proves #1 above
2, Scientific Facts in the Qur'an - proves #2 above
3. Historical Facts in the Qur'an - proves #2 above
4. Prophecies in the Qur'an/Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)'s Sayings - proves #2 above
5. Literary Miracle of the Qur'an in Arabic - proves #2 above
Wow...looks like a lot has happened since I started the thread. Sorry about the delay in my reply. Hopefully, I'll get to everyone's points slowly one by one.
First of all, Qur'an is not a book of science, neither it is a book of History or Prophecy. It is a book of guidance and instruction to mankind with Signs to ponder upon. However, everyone's heart and minds are into something different. Therefore, the Qur'an has something for everyone so they can reflect. As the Qur'an says : "We have sent down to thee Manifest Signs (ayat); and none reject them but those who are perverse." (Al Qur'an 2:99)
All # 1, 3, and 5 prove is that it's a piece of literary work with some historical accuracies that has been well preserved. This doesn't prove in the least that it's divine.
This misunderstanding might have come from me not stating one important point and that is any of the #2, #3, #4, #5 above in and of itself does not prove my point that it is not humanly possible and hence divine. In other words, just because a book contains scientific facts does not make it divine or from the Creator. However, any of those, combined with the fact that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was an unlettered man who could neither read nor write and the fact that some of those information could not have been available 1400 years ago due to lack of technological/scientific advancement makes it divine and from the Creator.
And it is historically accepted by muslims and non-muslims alike that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was unlettered. For example : "He had not studied philosophy in the school of Athens of Rome, Persia, India, or China. Yet, He could proclaim the highest truths of eternal value to mankind. Illiterate himself, he could yet speak with an eloquence and fervor which moved men to tears, to tears of ecstasy. Born an orphan blessed with no worldly goods, he was loved by all." [By Prof. K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, Head of the Department of Philosophy, Government College for Women University of Mysore, Mandya-571401 (Karnatika). Re-printed from "Islam and Modern age", Hydrabad, March 1978.]
For more details on Prophet Muhammad[PBUH] visit :
The Simple Message of GOD: About Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) - By a non-muslim
# 2 would be interesting, if it were true. And # 4 might have some merit, if there were any actual prophecies in the Qur'an. There is nothing in the Qur'an that has any divine mark on it. It's a great literary work, and it has value in that vein, and even has some good spiritual guides, but there's no way to prove that it's from god.
No scientific facts proven to be true from the Qur'an? It is easy to brush off the Truth without giving any proof. Just read information on the stages of Human Embryonic Development. How could Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), an illiterate man, have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time?
See it with illustrations : A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam, Muslims, and the Quran
And this is not a Joe Blow agreeing and changing his science book based on the Qur'an. "Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. " [Taken from ]Islam Guide
Only the Creator could have known this information 1400 years ago.
No prophecies fulfilled from the Qur'an ?
One example of the events foretold in the Quran is the victory of the Romans over the Persians within three to nine years after the Romans were defeated by the Persians. God has said in the Quran:
"The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land (to the Arabian Peninsula), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within bedd’ (three to nine) years...." (Quran, 30:2-4)
Let us see what history tells us about these wars. A book entitled History of the Byzantine State says that the Roman army was badly defeated at Antioch in 613, and as a result, the Persians swiftly pushed forward on all fronts.1 At that time, it was hard to imagine that the Romans would defeat the Persians, but the Quran foretold that the Romans would be victorious within three to nine years. In 622, nine years after the Romans’ defeat, the two forces (Romans and Persians) met on Armenian soil, and the result was the decisive victory of the Romans over the Persians, for the first time after the Romans’ defeat in 613.2 The prophecy was fulfilled just as God has said in the Quran. [Taken from ]Islam Guide: Error 404 - The Page Was Not Found
Finally, for #5 - an illiterate man creating a literary miracle ? Again, only if it is from the Creator of the heavens and the earth.
And the Qur'an states the same : ""And thou(Muhammad) wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs." (Al Quran 29:48-49)
Peace.
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