Is there any place for blasphemy laws in the twenty first century?

[stvdv]

Is there any place for blasphemy laws in the 21st century?

Blasphemy Laws are fine...I know a good one...."Never kill someone over Blasphemy"

 

[Howard Is]

That is your view. Not a problem

Wrong on two counts.

It is reality.
It is a problem. One you need to deal with.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So it is ok for religioues people to suffer because of Blasphemy?

Please.

How are you going to suffer, exactly, if I decide to whipe my bum with pages of the quran after which I set the rest of the book on fire and then end my day by making a mohammed cartoon?

Be specific. HOW exactly does that make you "suffer"?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Just like it is upto you if you decide to have drawings offend you or not.

I'm offended by drawings. Especially raffles. I never win.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I used to suffer because of what people said about me or religioues, i do not suffer any more. You can say what you want but it does not affect me anymore

Then what are you complaining about?

 

[Spirit of Light]

The reason i do not take part in answering every questions asked is because from experience in RF i know the discussion is not fruitfull, and only lead to more frustration for many people. I am ok with that people disagree with my views and understanding.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I want the law to say all religioues practice and all religions are allowed anywhere

Including the religions that engage in ritual human sacrifice?
Including the religions that demand groups of followers to commit collective suicide?

You must want that..."all" religious practices and "all" religions, you say.

What? Don't tell me you are going to offend and insult those people by making their religious practices illegal?!?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then what are you complaining about?

I am not the only person in this world, so i can speak up for those who cant or dont dare to speak. But i also know it has no meaning to others.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes on a personal level i do agree.

Not just on a personal level.
Also at the level of ideas, religions, other beliefs, opinions, etc.

Not a single idea, opinion, religion,... is worthy of respect by default.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Including the religions that engage in ritual human sacrifice?
Including the religions that demand groups of followers to commit collective suicide?

You must want that..."all" religious practices and "all" religions, you say.

What? Don't tell me you are going to offend and insult those people by making their religious practices illegal?!?

I do not support human offering or killing, i can not say i know of anyone practicing it today. But they have to speak for their views, i do not know them.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Not just on a personal level.
Also at the level of ideas, religions, other beliefs, opinions, etc.

Not a single idea, opinion, religion,... is worthy of respect by default.

Again your free opinion

 

[Howard Is]

I am not the only person in this world, so i can speak up for those who cant or dont dare to speak. But i also know it has no meaning to others.

That sounds so noble. But you are calling for legal restraint on speech !
But you want to speak for the poor huddled masses ... how sweet of you.

 

[stvdv]

The Four Agreements.

1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

5. Only speak if it improves the Silence
6. Only speak if it does not actively hurt the other
7. You cannot always oblige, but you can always speak obligingly

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think you seen it create anger and frustration in the world.

If you are going to make everything that can potentially anger and frustrate people, based only on the fact that it could anger and frustrate people.... pretty soon the only freedom you'll have left, is to stay within the confines of your own home, out of sight and out of touch of anyone and everyone.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you are going to make everything that can potentially anger and frustrate people, based only on the fact that it could anger and frustrate people.... pretty soon the only freedom you'll have left, is to stay within the confines of your own home, out of sight and out of touch of anyone and everyone.

You would like that, would you not take a away my internet connection and you have silenced me

 

[Howard Is]

I do not support human offering or killing, i can not say i know of anyone practicing it today. But they have to speak for their views, i do not know them.

Maybe you could speak for all the Pakistani girls who have been stoned for dishonouring family and religion etc ...In fact there was a blasphemy case recently where a girl with mental impairment was facing death ...

Such lovely people.
Such noble, caring people.

Let us never criticise them !

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do you think when we give RCC the freedom, no punishment or whatever,
to do these "worse things" in name of their religion
That they would do it again?

Not right away. But after a few generations, when all the "moderates" who knew how it went down in the 20th century are no more and replaced by people who only ever knew of a world with their renewed power? I'ld bet everything I own that sooner or later, they'ld exert that power again just like they did before.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You are free to have your view and opinion @TagliatelliMonster

And yet, you would want to take that freedom away from me.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Maybe you could speak for all the Pakistani girls who have been stoned for dishonouring family and religion etc ...In fact there was a blasphemy case recently where a girl with mental impairment was facing death ...

Such lovely people.
Such noble, caring people.

Let us never criticise them !

To critique an action where people are killed is of course ok, because killing is not ok.
I do not support those actions

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

He is still free to believe and have his views.

Yet, you want to take my freedom away of also expressing those beliefs and views.
In your opinion, only the religious should have that power / freedom.

I dont need to use energy anymore to try to make he believe something else,

You're certainly also not spending any energy to try and defend your hypocritical views either.