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Is Woke a religion?

IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
LeftyLen said:
I wrote this a year ago, "
That woke has so much in common with Maos cultural revolution as to its ideology, as even Bill Mahar a liberal notes the similarity (assuming you watched the video) As woke derives as articulated from the Frankfort school of Marxism and several links to articles on the matter. Rationally no one deny woke is cultural marxism, Woke is a secular religion, a form of 'secular fundamentalism' As I hold to the Horeshoe theory i will end with this, like i have here both the Woke and fundamentalists deny Woke and fundamentalism even exist. The existence of fundamentalism, over a hundred years old is often denied by the fundamentalists,- they claiming to be just, ‘Christians,’ and nothing more. They openly state all others are, ‘cults-heretics-reprobates-evolutionists.’ The comprehensive declaration of all others as being ‘cults-heretics-reprobate-evolutionists’ include all sectarians as well, designated as adversarial entities, according to the fundamentalists. ‘Christianity is not a religion,’ fundamentalists often declare, thus all not them, all Christian religions are therefore not Christian, summarily dismissed with a hand wave.

The Woke online see themselves as Social Justice Warriors exclusively defining Woke as the hundred year old Afro-American definition, nothing more, the actual dogmatic cultural Marxist stances they hold to, dismissed with a handwave.

If woke and fundamentalist agendas were applied in the real world what would ensue would be nothing short of a comprehensive totalitarianism agenda. History has clearly displayed what religious tyrannies have done in Europe. ‘Fundamentalist theocracies’ (generically called medieval Christianity) Catholic or protestant for seventeen hundred years produced in their long history a line of corrupt theocracies with a body count that cannot be denied with a hand wave. The hundred plus years of socialism as demonstrated with its repression and body count leaves no question as to its merits. In totalitarian socialist countries anything standing in the way of the progressive march of socialism in action or thought was labeled by socialists as ‘reactionary’ or ‘bourgeois.’ For the Marxists all material goods were to be redistributed to the proletariat, all divergent ‘bourgeois ‘ thought repressed, counter-revolutionary heretics reeducated or killed. The Marxists believed real family structures, religious, social traditions and science were obstacles to the collectivist state – atavism's to be overcome and ultimately dismantled, we saw this in the Soviet Union. Today the woke claim, ‘hetero-normative family structures are inherently misogynistic thus oppressive.’ What is ironic about the woke rhetoric is it sounds almost the same as what was implemented in former totalitarian states, in particular Mao's cultural revolution with its own massive body count. If unleashed in America the devastation from both extremes, considering their collective histories is unquestionable."
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Instead of actually replying to what I said, you simply took the opportunity to lecture. IOW you are choosing to have a monologue rather than a dialogue. Sorry, not interested.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
LeftyLen said:
wrongly conservatives are more and more fallaciously conflating liberals and leftists.
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I am finding that most people seem to think everyone is on the extreme or the other. Either extreme left, or extreme right. The idea that one could be a moderate conservative or moderate liberal, or even just a moderate in the middle between them, is just not part of their mentality. I blame social media for this polarization.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
IndigoChild5559 said:
These are using "worship" FIGURATIVELY. They are no different than the example I myself gave, "I worship the very ground you walk upon."
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And yet the word is still being used as not only I have described, but also how you have flat out admitted it is used.

Seems to me you are holding onto three words.
One wonders why.
Especially given that you yourself have admitted the usage without the deity.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
McBell said:
And yet the word is still being used as not only I have described, but also how you have flat out admitted it is used.

Seems to me you are holding onto three words.
One wonders why.
Especially given that you yourself have admitted the usage without the deity.
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I made it abundantly clear that the discussion is about literal worship, not figurative. The discussion is NOT about hyperbole. Sheesh. Dictionaries quite often do not report figurative usage. If you want to go off on a tangent, I won't stop you. But don't expect me to reply.
 
Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Augustus said:
Might want to look up some of the views of those who founded the Fabian Society if you think they would be considered "woke" today ;)
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This is what happens when anti-woke cranks can't get their research right.

Just as I said earlier on, they demonstrate why there is a (desperate need for) woke.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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crossfire said:
Where is the separation of the sacred from the profane in "woke?"
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There isn't such a separation in most religions that have existed throughout time. It's more a Christian/Abrahamic thing.

I personally don't think there is any meaningful way to differentiate a religion from a 'not religious' worldview. Attempts to do so mostly use Christianity as the benchmark, and measure other 'religions' by the degree to which they resemble it.

IMO we'd be better off seeing religions and "secular" worldviews as being functionally equivalent, and this would lead to better understanding of how we are influenced by them.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
IndigoChild5559 said:
I made it abundantly clear that the discussion is about literal worship, not figurative. The discussion is NOT about hyperbole. Sheesh. Dictionaries quite often do not report figurative usage. If you want to go off on a tangent, I won't stop you. But don't expect me to reply.
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perhaps next time you will refrain from inviting tangents you are not interested in into the conversation?

But since you are merely wanting to drive your narrative, be my guest.
 
LeftyLen

LeftyLen

Active Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
I am finding that most people seem to think everyone is on the extreme or the other. Either extreme left, or extreme right. The idea that one could be a moderate conservative or moderate liberal, or even just a moderate in the middle between them, is just not part of their mentality. I blame social media for this polarization.
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Moderate Conservatives are called RINOS moderate Democrats, the few remaining are fading fast
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
It Aint Necessarily So said:
I recall the discussion of same sex marriage when it became the law of the land in 2015. In one particular discussion, I referred to marriage equality, and was told that such people already had equality. Everybody who could marry had the right to marry the opposite sex. And that was correct. What same sex couples wanted was equity.
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Can you explain how you see the difference between equity and equality?

One summary I hear frequently is "even opportunities vs. even outcomes" - is that sort of what you mean?
 
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