ISIS creates sex slave jail with Yezidi women

[icehorse]

yup!

Violence plays right into the hands of extremists. It might sometimes be unavoidable, but I don't know that we've put anywhere near the same amount of time, money and energy into non-violent solutions as we have into military action. Who's to say what impact we would have had in the ME if we'd managed to put a TRILLION dollars into infrastructure, education, healthcare, education, irrigation and education?

 

[LuisDantas]

I agree. Osama Bin Laden claimed to be spurred by the construction of Prince Sultan Air Base. Maybe we should attempt to invest in non-military agreements instead?

 

[Avi1001]

I agree with these last posts. One of the big problems in the ME is there is very little middle class. It is mainly poor and rich. Imagine of there was a middle class involved in making products and services that people want. They would have little interest in participating in terrorism.

 

[Phil25]

I doubt investing in education is much useful in M.E and rest of Muslim world, we have got groups like Boko Haram(which means Western Education is forbidden).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I doubt investing in education is much useful in M.E and rest of Muslim world, we have got groups like Boko Haram(which means Western Education is forbidden).

It doesn't necessarily have to be Western education. The Westerncentric approaches are another thing that if continued, will result in continued failure. A solution doesn't mean imposing our ways upon them, and insisting everything is supposed to be done like we do it (good luck on getting America to see it this way).

 

[Avi1001]

I am an engineer. We solve problems like this all the time. How do you think we solve them ? :

1) We cannot educate these people because...(....)...(Phil filled in the blank is his post above #104).

2) These people are violent and we cannot deal with them because they are uneducated.

 

[Phil25]

It doesn't necessarily have to be Western education. The Westerncentric approaches are another thing that if continued, will result in continued failure. A solution doesn't mean imposing our ways upon them, and insisting everything is supposed to be done like we do it (good luck on getting America to see it this way).

I dont understand what you mean by Western education.
What the Islamists and many Conservative Muslims want is an education based on rote learning of Quran and stuff like that.

 

[Avi1001]

I dont understand what you mean by Western education.
What the Islamists and many Conservative Muslims want is an education based on rote learning of Quran and stuff like that.

They seem to have no problem at all learning how to set up and launch sophisticated rocket launchers.

 

[Phil25]

They seem to have no problem at all learning how to set up and launch sophisticated rocket launchers.

They have a class called "AP Concepts of Islamist Engineering"

 

[Thana]

Perhaps, Instead of us defeating them, We let the Kurds do it. They're a progressive and educated people in the Middle East who just want their own country. I think we should give it to them, And support them completely in fighting ISIS. If they win, I think they could impliment peace and they could educate people on a better Islam.

(Which apparently we're already doing, Australia sending them weapons and whatnot)

 

[Phil25]

Perhaps, Instead of us defeating them, We let the Kurds do it. They're a progressive and educated people in the Middle East who just want their own country. I think we should give it to them, And support them completely in fighting ISIS. If they win, I think they could impliment peace and they could educate people on a better Islam.

(Which apparently we're already doing, Australia sending them weapons and whatnot)

That would make Turkey and Iran :verymad:

 

[Brickjectivity]

Islamic State militants are gang-raping, selling hundreds of Yazidi women inside Iraqi prison: report - NY Daily News

This is probably the saddest thing I have read. I'm sure some people will defend them or brush this off as something 'common'. But before you do just be thankful it hasn't happened to your community or people.

I have nothing more to say.

This thread has become a statement of outrage, but this is not a war that the USA is ready to fight. The USA does not believe in annexing territory any longer, but this is a war over territory.

Perhaps, Instead of us defeating them, We let the Kurds do it. They're a progressive and educated people in the Middle East who just want their own country. I think we should give it to them, And support them completely in fighting ISIS. If they win, I think they could impliment peace and they could educate people on a better Islam.

The Kurds don't want new territory and cannot control the region. If we love the Kurds then the thing to do is make them a 51st state. Putting them in charge of all that land would just get them killed. The same goes for Israel. Israel doesn't want to have to deal with all of that land, either.

I am an engineer. We solve problems like this all the time. How do you think we solve them ? :

1) We cannot educate these people because...(....)...(Phil filled in the blank is his post above #104).

2) These people are violent and we cannot deal with them because they are uneducated.

You mean indeterminate Statics problems?

 

[Avi1001]

....You mean indeterminate Statics problems?

Close, can you explain it to Phil now.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Close, can you explain it to Phil now.

Me?! Tell you what. If you'll explain it I'll nod and agree.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Getting ME governments involved is a good point. Why they are not involved is quite mysterious to me?

If we assume that the leaders of countries like SA and Iran and Jordan are intelligent, their endgames are sure hard to figure out...

Because the only solution anyone can think of is "Kill them all." ISIS and the region in general is a challenge to our belief in not killing everyone, not subjugating, not forcing our way of life on people. They're sticking it to us, daring us to kill them, trying to get us to attack them. Its guerilla warfare in the ethical theatre. They object to our ethics and challenge us to break our ethics. Any ME government that gets involved will wind up killing someone, and then that is bad for them politically. Our diplomats will shame them. Assad for example did try to do something didn't he?

 

[Father Heathen]

May the hijacked hearts of ISIS be re-opened such that members awaken from their ignorance. Only love can cure this disease within humanity.

How much more rape, torture, subjugation, displacement, and murder would occur until they're finally rehabilitated by hugs and handjobs?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How much more rape, torture, subjugation, displacement, and murder would occur until they're finally rehabilitated by hugs and handjobs?

And how much of it will keep happening if we carry on with the same routines?

 

[Father Heathen]

And how much of it will keep happening if we carry on with the same routines?

I'm all for a new strategy, provided it doesn't simply allow them to oppress or prey upon the innocent with impunity.

 

[oldbadger]

............I would think my posting history makes it very clear I am strongly opposed to such things. I've even stated numerous times I'm all for woman beating a man who can't keep his hands to himself until his teeth are flying.

Good! Now you're talking! Why didn't you say this before???!!!

You are all for beating a man's teeth out if he touches a woman in a way that she does not like. Thank goodness for the truth.... at last. You would not promote an empathetic cure in his case, then?

Well........ these men are doing rather more than that. They are imprisoning and repeatedly raping terrified women. I will bet that they murder any woman who resists.

So..... would it be alright if somebody..... anybody...... was to go into and amongst the ISIL forces and KICK THEIR TEETH OUT!

OK?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Good! Now you're talking! Why didn't you say this before???!!!

You are all for beating a man's teeth out if he touches a woman in a way that she does not like. Thank goodness for the truth.... at last. You would not promote an empathetic cure in his case, then?

Well........ these men are doing rather more than that. They are imprisoning and repeatedly raping terrified women. I will bet that they murder any woman who resists.

So..... would it be alright if somebody..... anybody...... was to go into and amongst the ISIL forces and KICK THEIR TEETH OUT!

OK?

I haven't stated otherwise, except that that cannot be the entirety of the goal. If all we do is go in to kill this group, then there will be a next group to go in and kill. Helping the Kurds, Turkish, Egyptians, and others with domestic intel gathering and counter terrorism would be far more effective than going in with guns blazing. Preventing these things before they happen should be the goal.