Islam belief, Noah, the Great Flood and Science. Coherent or contradictory?

[CG Didymus]

Anyone who has studied geology knows this is just
a lot of shallow, deceptive nonsense.

That's all I needed to know for now. Thanks

 

[CG Didymus]

You look old. But in all seriousness and off topic, but some folks do seem to have accelerated lives, living 4 or 5 lifetimes worth of experiences in one physical life. (Actually a concept in my faith, for old souls)

Are looking at the avatar picture? That's not me. That's a rock.

 

[james dixon]

No, it is okay to post scriptures as long as you also say something in your post that is related to the scriptures.

In that post I said this--

The time line above has been scientifically proven to be true, life did “evolve” as stated. And this evolving process was put to print in 1611 BC.

It is clear to me that the authors of Geneses had some help and it wasn’t from some bird tweeting to them from some window sill.

I got the source from google; wasn't that enough.

 

[shunyadragon]

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Anyone who has studied geology knows this is just
a lot of shallow, deceptive nonsense.

That's all I needed to know for now. Thanks

I am more forgiving of ancient cultures,because of their limited knowledge of the time. I am less forgiving, ah . . . not forgiving at all for those that still believe in world flood and a literal Genesis creation.

 

[Vinayaka]

Did you see the rather long quote from genesis above?

I saw it, but didn't read it.

 

[Vinayaka]

Are looking at the avatar picture? That's not me. That's a rock.

Oh, gee. Sorry. I thought you were stone faced.

 

[CG Didymus]

Thanks, I do that a lot more than most Baha'is or other religious people, but normally occurs on the non-religious threads.

I am like a fish out of water when it comes to religion, since I never had much interest in religion, never studied it. That is one reason I try to stay away from the religion threads. It is difficult for me to talk about what I do not know. I know a lot about Baha'i but I do not know a lot about other religions. I only know enough to be dangerous.

You're a square peg and don't fit into round holes? You're a fish out of water about other religions? You know enough to be dangerous? You sound perfect for these threads.

 

[james dixon]

I was not aware of this,and I do not believe it is forbidden, but proper citation of the source may be required.

I just added the source link to the post

 

[Vinayaka]

Thanks, I do that a lot more than most Baha'is or other religious people, but normally occurs on the non-religious threads.

I am like a fish out of water when it comes to religion, since I never had much interest in religion, never studied it. That is one reason I try to stay away from the religion threads. It is difficult for me to talk about what I do not know. I know a lot about Baha'i but I do not know a lot about other religions. I only know enough to be dangerous.

I had no religion as a youth as well. Sunday mornings were spent fishing at the river, or in winter, skating on the home made rink. Most of what I know about other faiths comes from here, and a very introductory and generalized book I read once. Very little in actuality. But my path isn't a book path, and true religious experience in another faith would be very hard to come by.

 

[Trailblazer]

In that post I said this--

The time line above has been scientifically proven to be true, life did “evolve” as stated. And this evolving process was put to print in 1611 BC.

It is clear to me that the authors of Geneses had some help and it wasn’t from some bird tweeting to them from some window sill.

I got the source from google; wasn't that enough.

I think that what you said was perfectly fine, and the verses were cited to explain what you were referring to so they were necessary. I do not think you have to cite the source of Bible scriptures, most people know where they came from.

 

[Vinayaka]

Actually direct citations of writings are important, because it allows for the recipient to make their own interpretation of the writings, and not an intervening interpretation of the one sending the citation. A great deal of the misunderstanding in communication is communication of 'opinions of opinions' which result miscommunication.

For you, sure. Not for me. Scripture doesn't interest me, especially Abrahamic scripture. I read the first 3 pages of the bible as a kid. That was enough. I assumed that if the first 3 pages made no sense, nor would the rest. OI have read some Baha'i stuff, but it made no sense to me either. Like picking up a novel, and getting half way through the first chapter and putting it down, just knowing its not for you. Same with a movie, ow a conversation with somebody who totally bores you. I have better things to do.

 

[Trailblazer]

I had no religion as a youth as well. Sunday mornings were spent fishing at the river, or in winter, skating on the home made rink. Most of what I know about other faiths comes from here, and a very introductory and generalized book I read once. Very little in actuality. But my path isn't a book path, and true religious experience in another faith would be very hard to come by.

Thanks for sharing.
I am book and you are experience but I see no reason why we cannot still be friends. Besides, I could use a little more experience, of the God that is.

 

[james dixon]

ah . . . not forgiving at all for those that still believe in world flood

Please explain the following pictures--

 

[oldbadger]

Yes, if I'd ever get any. But, since I don't, I like to say I don't really want them. That way when I don't get them, I can pretend it doesn't matter. And when are you going to get to the good part of the dream? Like... what was she wearing? Was she a blonde or brunette? Oh, maybe a redhead?

I didn't notice, or cannot remember what colour her hair was, but I know for certain that she would have been a rose-golden red-head, just as my wife was when I met her, but in recent years she has turned silver blonde, quite amazing.

But really, that whole veiled thing is exactly right on. If God dictated the Bible to dunderheads a veiled message, but he expected the dunderheads to figure out that it was veiled, then he doesn't know dunderheads very well. Of course they would take the veiled message too literal. A flood? Of course that really means if we don't follow God's law we will drown in our own ocean of delusion. Jesus rising from the dead? Of course that means that his body is dead, but he lives on in our hearts. But dunderheaded people took as the literal truth. But, now what, Baha'u'llah has given a message... how will dunderheads mess it up? Hmmm? Dunderheads passing and enforcing religious legislation? What could possibly go wrong?

Yep, skipping to and from between 'Bahauallah's presence caused surges in Science' and 'Nuclear bombs are the result of science without Bahauallah'..... or These messages don't count now, these messages by the Bab are redacted, these messages are exact, these messages can be changed by a UHJ's spiritual decisions, blah blah..... and on.....

I have yet to read any passages by Bahai which are not double-think. I've written that several times here and nobody has offered any passages for my scrutiny.

 

[james dixon]

Here is some more evidence--

Evidence for a Flood | Science | Smithsonian

New Evidence Suggests Biblical Great Flood Happened

Was there really a great flood?

 

[Vinayaka]

Thanks for sharing.
I am book and you are experience but I see no reason why we cannot still be friends. Besides, I could use a little more experience, of the God that is.

Books are fine, but if it doesn't help you translate that into being a loving human being who actually cares for people, it's of no value. in my view. My atheist father walked away from church at age ten. The pastor gave a lengthy talk on neighbourliness, and then after, on cold rainy day he and his sisters trudged home the 2 miles while several cars with plenty of room in them drove by. He never went back, despite plenty of encouragement from his sisters, who didn't seem to hear the same message. That story affected me. So did the time we went to a Christmas service watching the adulterers in the community pretend to be all holy. I guess they didn't know that we knew.

The community should be of some support in times of need.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have read some Baha'i stuff, but it made no sense to me either. Like picking up a novel, and getting half way through the first chapter and putting it down, just knowing its not for you.

That's what I said when I first read Gleanings, and for many years afterward.
Then I went and read the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha instead.

 

[shunyadragon]

Yes, but what about your knowledge about geology. Do the Christians have any credibility in their "proofs" of a world-wide Flood? Here's a couple of them.

Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.
Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.​

These are bogus claims taken dishonestly out of context when compared to actual geologic evidence. I am a geologist with more than fifty years experience, and these references are terrible lies.

 

[Vinayaka]

That's what I said when I first read Gleanings, and for many years afterward.
Then I went and read the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha instead.

I've read glimpses of both. The language was way too flowery, filled with contradictions, and full of self-aggrandizing repetitive conceit. But of course if you bought the into program, it would be just like the glorious brightness of the sun.

 

[shunyadragon]

Genesis was first put to print in 1611BC

There is absolutely no evidence for this. The evidence clearly demonstrated that Genesis was compiled,edited and redacted well after 1000 BCE, with no references to text before~700 BCE.

Can you provide any evidence of the existence of text prior to 700 BCE.

The time line above has been scientifically proven to be true, life did “evolve” as stated. And this evolving process was put to print in 1611 BC.

It is clear to me that the authors of Geneses had some help and it wasn’t from some bird tweeting to them from some window sill.

There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support this claim.