Really ?
Freedom of speech had ban list in West
If that real,I would laugh to cry
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Islam fights free speech
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Freedom of speech had ban list in West
If that real,I would laugh to cry
faroukfarouk
Active Member
I need logical answer from Mr OP.
The truth is freedom of speech has its limitations.
The truth is freedom of speech has its limitations.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Thank you for your condemnation. However, you don't identify as a Muslim. You've got Mormon and alian on your identifier.
More common is Godobeyer's post #156 which excuses any crimes that Muslims commit due to actions/inactions from the West.
Oops if Internet connections become illimited ?
You make us in big trouble
It is. It is just that some service providers have so much bandwidth they call it unlimited. Here in Saudi Arabia it feels unlimited (land lines only) because pornography is blocked so so much bandwidth is saved
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
@faroukfarouk
The Catcher in the Rye – JD Salinger
In 1960, a teacher in Tulsa, Oklahoma was fired for assigning the novel in class; however, he was later reinstated.[29] Between 1961 and 1982, The Catcher in the Rye was the most censored book in high schools and libraries in the United States.[30] The book was banned in the Issaquah, Washington, high schools in 1978 as being part of an "overall communist plot".[31] In 1981, it was both the most censored book and the second most taught book in public schools in the United States.[32] According to the American Library Association, The Catcher in the Rye was the 10th most frequently challenged book from 1990 to 1999.[10] It was one of the ten most challenged books of 2005,[33] and although it had been off the list for three years, it reappeared in the list of most challenged books of 2009.[34]
The challenges generally begin with Holden's frequent use of vulgar language,[35][36] with other reasons including sexual references,[37] blasphemy, undermining of family values[36] and moral codes,[38] encouragement of rebellion,[39] and promotion of drinking, smoking, lying, and promiscuity.[38] Often the challengers have been unfamiliar with the plot itself.[30] Shelley Keller-Gage, a high school teacher who faced objections after assigning the novel in her class, noted that "the challengers are being just like Holden... They are trying to be catchers in the rye".[36] A reverse effect has been that this incident caused people to put themselves on the waiting list to borrow the novel, when there were none before.[40][41]
Lady Chatterley’s Lover – DH Lawrence
Controversy
Lady Chatterley's lover has a long history of being banned but has managed to still be thought of as a classic. Ruled obscene over the years it is now available in most "western" countries.
Brave New World – Aldous Huxley
Tropic of Cancer – Henry Miller
Legal issues:
A very interesting read. It certainly caused shockwaves 80 years ago and as recent as the 1960's. Not so much these days...
Lolita – Vladmir Nabokov
Erotic motifs and controversy
This one is interesting because though the ending is mildly erotic readers were taken in by the title and expected a decadent lewd novel. It wasn't but no one seemed to care and judged it by its title.
Ulysses – James Joyce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(novel)#Censorship
Another interesting history on this book. Much ado about nothing, really. Pretty tame by today's standards.
I'm going out on a limb here but almost every case was trumped up by religious lunatics... we've since put most of them in their place.
The Catcher in the Rye – JD Salinger
In 1960, a teacher in Tulsa, Oklahoma was fired for assigning the novel in class; however, he was later reinstated.[29] Between 1961 and 1982, The Catcher in the Rye was the most censored book in high schools and libraries in the United States.[30] The book was banned in the Issaquah, Washington, high schools in 1978 as being part of an "overall communist plot".[31] In 1981, it was both the most censored book and the second most taught book in public schools in the United States.[32] According to the American Library Association, The Catcher in the Rye was the 10th most frequently challenged book from 1990 to 1999.[10] It was one of the ten most challenged books of 2005,[33] and although it had been off the list for three years, it reappeared in the list of most challenged books of 2009.[34]
The challenges generally begin with Holden's frequent use of vulgar language,[35][36] with other reasons including sexual references,[37] blasphemy, undermining of family values[36] and moral codes,[38] encouragement of rebellion,[39] and promotion of drinking, smoking, lying, and promiscuity.[38] Often the challengers have been unfamiliar with the plot itself.[30] Shelley Keller-Gage, a high school teacher who faced objections after assigning the novel in her class, noted that "the challengers are being just like Holden... They are trying to be catchers in the rye".[36] A reverse effect has been that this incident caused people to put themselves on the waiting list to borrow the novel, when there were none before.[40][41]
Lady Chatterley’s Lover – DH Lawrence
Controversy
Lady Chatterley's lover has a long history of being banned but has managed to still be thought of as a classic. Ruled obscene over the years it is now available in most "western" countries.
Brave New World – Aldous Huxley
- In 1932, the book was banned in Ireland for its language, and for supposedly being anti-family and anti-religion.[32][33]
- In 1965, a Maryland English teacher alleged that he was fired for assigning Brave New World to students. The teacher sued for violation of First Amendment rights but lost both his case and the appeal.[34]
- The book was banned in India in 1967, with Huxley accused of being a "pornographer".[35]
- In 1980, it was removed from classrooms in Miller, Missouri among other challenges.[36]
- In 1993, an unsuccessful attempt was made to remove the novel from a California school's required reading list because it "centered around negative activity".[39]
- In 2010, the book was listed on the American Library Association's "Most Challenged Books" list.[40]
Tropic of Cancer – Henry Miller
Legal issues:
A very interesting read. It certainly caused shockwaves 80 years ago and as recent as the 1960's. Not so much these days...
Lolita – Vladmir Nabokov
Erotic motifs and controversy
This one is interesting because though the ending is mildly erotic readers were taken in by the title and expected a decadent lewd novel. It wasn't but no one seemed to care and judged it by its title.
Ulysses – James Joyce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(novel)#Censorship
Another interesting history on this book. Much ado about nothing, really. Pretty tame by today's standards.
I really couldn't be bothered checking the rest of your list. Pretty basic searches revealed the true and often interesting stories behind each controversy. Oh and btw each of these books is available through my local library and I'm way out of the big city in the boonies...
I'm going out on a limb here but almost every case was trumped up by religious lunatics... we've since put most of them in their place.
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Notanumber
A Free Man
It would seem that Islam has to use intimidation to gain respect.
Not so much the religion of peace then, more like the ideology of fear.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Okey,ah
Now I am confused where your arrogance came from
Actually implying you understood what I wrote.
Shame on YOU.
So you stuck in when they label them selfs Al-Qeada !!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...inessman-who-recruited-mujahedin-1465715.html
Sudan =/= Afghanistan
And again I even wrote that future Al-Qaeda members fought against the Soviets. Its as if you only read certain buzzwords and completely ignore the rest.
Quite annoying to be honest.
Quagmire, I'd really like to understand your concerns here, but I'm finding your last several posts to be inscrutable. I suspect you're suspecting me of something I'm not aware of perhaps?
Yes of course. The aspect of free speech I'm most concerned with is the ability to publish criticisms of governments, policies, politicians, religions and so on.
Islam is a set of ideas. Christianity is a set of ideas. Same for capitalism, communism and so on. All of them MUST be fair game for criticism. I will ask again, if you disagree, then who would you trust to be in charge of telling you what you are NOT allowed to read?
faroukfarouk
Active Member
No intimidation my friend nor its a threat.Its reality.
We are human so don't expect us to respect you.You got to earn your respect.
Yes we love to keep the peace but peace comes at a price.
You swear my mother so don't expect me to swear your mother.
We not monkeys.
Monkey see,monkey do.
My friend if you insult my religion then don't expect me to accept it.
You must be prepared for a backlash.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Where on earth did you get that nonsense that Islam is a set of ideas?
Really you ignorant of Islam.
Islam is simply a way of life to uplift man to attain the best morals.
Without morals man goes backwards and equates himself to animalism.
Setting immature personal attacks aside, I believe you just confirmed what I said, and contradicted yourself.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
I'm going out on a limb here but almost every case was trumped up by religious lunatics... we've since put most of them in their place.
Religious lunatics.....really......you got to be joking.
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain, 1884
Banned because of its frequent use of the word “******.” Otherwise it is alleged the book is “racially insensitive,” “oppressive,” and “perpetuates racism.”
The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcolm X and Alex Haley, 1965 (Grove Press)
Banned because Objectors have called this seminal work a “how-to-manual” for crime and decried because of “anti-white statements” present in the book.
Beloved, Toni Morrison, 1987
Banned because complaints are lodged against the book of its violence, sexual content and discussion of bestiality.
The list just goes on and on.
Admit it you have limited free speech.
Religious lunatics.....really......you got to be joking.
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain, 1884
Banned because of its frequent use of the word “******.” Otherwise it is alleged the book is “racially insensitive,” “oppressive,” and “perpetuates racism.”
The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcolm X and Alex Haley, 1965 (Grove Press)
Banned because Objectors have called this seminal work a “how-to-manual” for crime and decried because of “anti-white statements” present in the book.
Beloved, Toni Morrison, 1987
Banned because complaints are lodged against the book of its violence, sexual content and discussion of bestiality.
The list just goes on and on.
Admit it you have limited free speech.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Nothing personal my friend the reality is you show complete ignorancy of Islam.
Thats the truth and you have to live with it.
I said most the terrorism around the world due the intervention of West in Muslim countries.
We were the most victims of intervention and terrorism.
This not the point
Yes , West supported bin laden and many others to fight soviet union.
Tell me farouk, what are the kinds of things we can criticize? We can criticize people for sure, what else? Isn't everything else either an idea or the manifestation of an idea?