Islam fights free speech

[The_Fisher_King]

The telltale signs are the expectations of differentiated treatment according to belief stance

Do you mean expectations that non-Muslims treat Muslims differently from those of other faiths?

of privilege of theistic claims over more concrete social and scientific concerns

By this criterion, I am an 'Islamist' or 'extremist Muslim'.

and of bending of laws and customs once Muslim majorities are attained in some specific region.

This doesn't seem unreasonable to me (although I would say the same might hold true when any group attains a majority in a particular region - one could say that is democracy). Does this make me an 'Islamist' or 'extremist Muslim'?

Islam is remarkably heterogeneous when confronted with its own hopes, but remarkably homogeneous when contrasted with most other ideologies and religions.

Can you give some examples of the homogeneity you see in Islam?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

no

Whats habla Akbar?
Maybe you read it and tell me why its banned in some countries.

No its a joke
because I was like I don't know why but on some forums muslims don't speak like respond to things they asked and its habla, it's Spanish for speak.

 

[icehorse]

icehorse let me ask you a simple question.
When does a child become a women?
Now stop displaying your ignorancy.

Hey farouk,

I think this is a great question. One reason is that it exposes a problem with any religion or ideology that doesn't allow itself to evolve over time.

Milleniums ago, people didn't live as long as they do now. Basic survival was harder then. In those olden days, it made sense for girls / women to have babies as soon as they were able to. Now time has past, we live longer, and we can try to achieve better, happier lives. Given these modern luxuries, we've come to believe that it's better for girls to be older before becoming mothers. This is an example of the evolution of thought. Often what made sense a 1000 years ago, no longer makes sense today. Religions often struggle to keep up.

So the short answer is: A girl becomes a woman when it's healthiest for the girl and for the community.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Ok sorry for my ignorancy.
Learnt something new.
habla Akbar.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

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Ok sorry for my ignorancy.
Learnt something new.
habla Akbar.

lol yes its a joke

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Thank you for your condemnation. However, you don't identify as a Muslim. You've got Mormon and alian on your identifier.

I do identify as a Muslim though. Through and through. My username is FunnyKindOfMormon - that doesn't make me a Mormon. And we Alians are Muslims too (much as many of my fellow Muslims would like to say we are not).

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Thank you for your condemnation. However, you don't identify as a Muslim. You've got Mormon and alian on your identifier.

I do identify as a Muslim though. Through and through. My username is FunnyKindOfMormon - that doesn't make me a Mormon. And we Alians are Muslims too (much as many of my fellow Muslims would like to say we are not).

 

[icehorse]

Haha....maybe you have difficulty in addressing my questions so now you want to ban me.

Hey farouk,

I think you get the point that we don't all agree with what's offensive. When someone draws a cartoon of Muhammad, you might find that offensive, and I don't. But there are aspects of conservative Islam that I find quite offensive. Do we get to limit each other? Should I be able to tell a conservative Muslim that he can't practice his faith because I find it offensive?

 

[faroukfarouk]

"A girl becomes a woman when it's healthiest for the girl and for the community".
Can you explain ....i am confused.....sorry for my ignorancy in your sentence.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Hey farouk,

I think you get the point that we don't all agree with what's offensive. When someone draws a cartoon of Muhammad, you might find that offensive, and I don't. But there are aspects of conservative Islam that I find quite offensive. Do we get to limit each other? Should I be able to tell a conservative Muslim that he can't practice his faith because I find it offensive?

So in a football match you play the man and not the ball and you call that fair play.

 

[faroukfarouk]

"A girl becomes a woman when it's healthiest for the girl and for the community".
Can you explain ....i am confused.....sorry for my ignorancy in your sentence.

Healthy for what to make babies?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Clearly, Islam and its followers aren't just asking to not be mocked; you want to silence criticism in general.

No. Not Islam. And not all Muslims. A lot of Muslims with their interpretations of Islam, perhaps.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

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lol yes its a joke

"A girl becomes a woman when it's healthiest for the girl and for the community".
Can you explain ....i am confused.....sorry for my ignorancy in your sentence.

Most people naturally find their healthy age just growing up, no its not really early or a doctrine. Because of abandonment we have bad religion that goes into "population" ideas. Yes there is such things as hate and pride, knowing that or not even knowing that someone you love could hurt has caused shrewdness and laws but they scribe themselves up. Its the cutting off or force of such that prevents healthy or loving relationships between a male and a female.

 

[faroukfarouk]

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lol yes its a joke

i was also joking.
No offence mate.

 

[Godobeyer]

I find the whole Qur'an offensive because it denies the divinity of Christ, denies the Trinity and calls Jews and Christians the worst of creatures.

Needless to say, I can't ban the Qur'an and don't really want to. It's much better just to let stupidity speak for itself. When a book is banned is when folks want to read it.

I have a suprise from Bible :Jesus (pbuh) never divine him self. on contrary he worship His God.
word "Trinity" don't exist in Bible either !

God called ALL disbelievers (not just) Christian or Jews worst of creatures,NOT in this life.in hereafter.
which mean LOSERS of next life.

Please check :
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=98&verse=6

 

[The_Fisher_King]

All we ask of you is don't mock our beliefs.
If you ask us questions with respect we would give you a respectable answer.

What counts as a respectful question? Or perhaps more pertinently, what counts as a disrespectful question?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Its through sheer ignorancy that you call a women a child.

Trusted Islamic sources say that Aisha was nine years old - i.e. a child when she was married off to Muhammad.

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't want the Quran to be banned at all. I'm just using your own line of reasoning that a book should be banned if it causes incitement. So if the Quran caused incitement, would that be grounds for banning? If not, then why ban any other book? I'm also still curious about your position on whether Mohammed sinned by marrying Aisha or not.

I believe that anyone should be allowed to express any opinion they have on any subject without fearing for their own safety. I don't believe something being offensive is sufficient grounds on its own to ban it altogether, whatever that thing may be.

did the prophet( Mohammed ) marry a 9 year old child?

 

[Britedream]

Hey farouk,

On this forum there are lots of non-Muslims who have studied Islam in detail. Some of us have read several translations of the Quran cover to cover.

You seem to be in the habit of calling people ignorant. I find that offensive. Perhaps we should ban you?

Let see if your claim is true, please translate the following verse, you can get help from the non Muslim you claim they know the Quran. You are free to use all the thranslations that your heart desires. it is very simple and clear verse.:

verse 7:17
"ثُمَّ لَآتِيَنَّهُمْ مِنْ بَيْنِ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِمْ وَعَنْ أَيْمَانِهِمْ وَعَنْ شَمَائِلِهِمْ ۖ وَلَا تَجِدُ أَكْثَرَهُمْ شَاكِرِينَ"

 

[faroukfarouk]

Do women play in swings?
Can a 9 year old girl become a women?
Do women play with dolls?

When does a child become a women?