Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[pharon85]

He was a freind to the west and he also had his country at heart,he tried to bring it to parity with the west unfortunately for the world we now have religious nutcases running Iran

so people there must loved him very mush
i hope you read the history
and to search for his regime crimes specialy safak which is the secret service in iran
and search for how he goes down
milions in the street say no for him
so he escape
also search what USA doen to him after that
they negotiated on delivering him to iran
read about how many iranian died because of him
if the iranin regime is regime of devil
why USA gave them weapens , have you heared before about iran-contra
and by the way i'am not with iran because their agenda is not right
and we are a target on their list
but also we are atarget on the west list
i'am just speaken about facts and history , about things happened
i understand what is the west want from us and i hope you understand that too
by the way you didn't answer me why usa pay money ,time ,lifes
for getting democracy to us ,what is the price
why usa was afriend to all dectators in the world and never speak about democracy before
sadam was afriend , ben laden was agent, talban were allie
why now they are enemy???

 

[pharon85]

So all the Islamic terrorists who kill innocent people like in Mumbai or other parts of the world are going against the Quran,unfortunately they feel it is their duty to kill in the name of Islam yet they read from the same book.

they do the same as you do now read apiece of the topic and take it as a topic itself
yes you must fight who fight you
but when you fight you must fight your enemy not unarmed people
they take order of fight and went to kill every one in their way even he is amoslem
they will kill him
if i told you we will meet tomorrow at 12 o'clock
and you went there today at 12 o'clock
is that my mistake or your mistake
it is the same in quran
the problem with people not with religion , they do actions againt religion itself

 

[England my lionheart]

so people there must loved him very mush
i hope you read the history
and to search for his regime crimes specialy safak which is the secret service in iran
and search for how he goes down
milions in the street say no for him
so he escape
also search what USA doen to him after that
they negotiated on delivering him to iran
read about how many iranian died because of him
if the iranin regime is regime of devil
why USA gave them weapens , have you heared before about iran-contra
and by the way i'am not with iran because their agenda is not right
and we are a target on their list
but also we are atarget on the west list
i'am just speaken about facts and history , about things happened
i understand what is the west want from us and i hope you understand that too
by the way you didn't answer me why usa pay money ,time ,lifes
for getting democracy to us ,what is the price
why usa was afriend to all dectators in the world and never speak about democracy before
sadam was afriend , ben laden was agent, talban were allie
why now they are enemy???

Foreign policy is what it's all about and strategy,Saddam was useful because he kept Iran in check and if he were still in power the steady supply of terrorists coming from Iran would not have happened.
Saddam became drunk with power and did bad things,he became a loose cannon so eventually had to go even though he did keep order.
As for Bin laden,i think he is dead but if he was used as an agent it was before he became a murderer and as for the Taliban all countries have allied themselves to someone bad during their history.

 

[pharon85]

Foreign policy is what it's all about and strategy,Saddam was useful because he kept Iran in check and if he were still in power the steady supply of terrorists coming from Iran would not have happened.
Saddam became drunk with power and did bad things,he became a loose cannon so eventually had to go even though he did keep order.
As for Bin laden,i think he is dead but if he was used as an agent it was before he became a murderer and as for the Taliban all countries have allied themselves to someone bad during their history.

so now you stop talking about democracy and speak about foreign policy
cool man the true started to appear
so usa know that all of them are bad guys but they do the dirty work
so USA closed her eyes about democracy but when they finished their dirty work it is time to speak about democracy
and did the democracy come ????
no just war and death
which wasn't there when the bad guys in the power
so i thank you for the truth
which it is not about democracy it is about strategy
and what USA really want from that strategy??
i hope you don't say democracy because i will feel sad
the strategy is doing the best for you ,to make you goals and targets
which is oil
thanks

 

[England my lionheart]

so now you stop talking about democracy and speak about foreign policy
cool man the true started to appear
so usa know that all of them are bad guys but they do the dirty work
so USA closed her eyes about democracy but when they finished their dirty work it is time to speak about democracy
and did the democracy come ????
no just war and death
which wasn't there when the bad guys in the power
so i thank you for the truth
which it is not about democracy it is about strategy
and what USA really want from that strategy??
i hope you don't say democracy because i will feel sad
the strategy is doing the best for you ,to make you goals and targets
which is oil
thanks

I agree oil is the carrot for the west but as a citizen of a Democracy where i have a vote and a right of free speech (how much free speech in Islamic states) i would rather we stayed in Iraq until Iraq does'nt need us which should be early summer 2009

 

[pharon85]

I agree oil is the carrot for the west but as a citizen of a Democracy where i have a vote and a right of free speech (how much free speech in Islamic states) i would rather we stayed in Iraq until Iraq does'nt need us which should be early summer 2009

what do you mean with how mush free speech in islamic speech
do you mean no free speech because of islam
or just no free speech in islamic places
there are no free speech because of the dictators who govern
and the west support them
that what make some people be terrorists because they think they must fight them
and who support them
that is what cause the condition we are in now
in every islamic state there are some one like sadam or ben laden
doing the dirty work for the west
so the west don't talk about democracy
a question for you do you think in summer 2009 there will be no western solider in iraq?
if you say no so who will protect the oil?

 

[England my lionheart]

what do you mean with how mush free speech in islamic speech
do you mean no free speech because of islam
or just no free speech in islamic places
there are no free speech because of the dictators who govern
and the west support them
that what make some people be terrorists because they think they must fight them
and who support them
that is what cause the condition we are in now
in every islamic state there are some one like sadam or ben laden
doing the dirty work for the west
so the west don't talk about democracy
a question for you do you think in summer 2009 there will be no western solider in iraq?
if you say no so who will protect the oil?

I mean there is no free speech in an Islamic state.
I don't know where you get your information from but there is nobody from any Islamic state doing any kind of dirty work for us.
I think at least the British will be out by summer 2009 and the US later.

 

[England my lionheart]

Besides if you were a Democracy you would'nt have a Dictator

 

[Riverwolf]

Western nations and Iraqis are fighting terrorists trained in Iran in Iraq,these terrorists come from all over the world and the latest proof of this is an Iranian defector who has named the training camps.
Western nations and Afghanistan are fighting the Taliban who are from various countries but are based in Pakistan which is common knowledge.
I call anyone a terrorist who kill indesciminatey innocent unarmed people and force them to live in an archaic backward inhuman way,terrorists are like the ones who blew the buses up in London the Twin towers in the USA and thousands of other crimes against humanity.

Or the one who blew up Bagdhad unprovoked.

I can't speak for any of the other Western nations, but I believe Bush to be a terrorist for his invasion of Iraq.

 

[Riverwolf]

ok if they prove that eartth was round and a human write quran
and take that information from old civilization ,how would he know that is the truth
i think he must be lucky and what he wrote was the truth
ok let's not speak about what old civilizations say let's speak about what modern civilization say
i will ask you a question
how many planets in the solar system ?
until 2006 all over the world we study that there are 9 planets
today how many planets in the solar system?
according to the the International Astronomical Union IAU there are 11
mercury,venus,earth,mars,jupiter,saturn,uranus,neptune,pluto,ceres,2003 ub
in quran : yousef (12:4)
إِذْ قَالَ يُوسُفُ لِأَبِيهِ يَا أَبتِ إِنِّي رَأَيْتُ أَحَدَ عَشَرَ كَوْكَبًا وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ رَأَيْتُهُمْ لِي سَاجِدِينَ
yousef told his father i have seen eleven planet ,sun and the moon kneel for me

so if ahuman write that how did he know there are 11 planet
and don't tell me old civilzations know that
that is only 1 thing about quran there alot of things like that
i have abook talken about medical in quran
things just was discovered very soon
it is very big science every day we discover new things in quran
you can search for miracles in quran and you will find alot of topics
regards

UPDATE: Pluto's status as a planet was removed.

 

[England my lionheart]

Or the one who blew up Bagdhad unprovoked.

I can't speak for any of the other Western nations, but I believe Bush to be a terrorist for his invasion of Iraq.

I agree Bush and Blair were stupid in many ways but they are gone now and we need to move on especially for the people of Iraq which should be the priority for all.

 

[pharon85]

I mean there is no free speech in an Islamic state.
I don't know where you get your information from but there is nobody from any Islamic state doing any kind of dirty work for us.
I think at least the British will be out by summer 2009 and the US later.

ok is this mean you never heared about people arrested in western countries and the CIA
sent them to middle east where they were torchered

 

[Don Penguinoini]

There are many planet contenders... Eris, Ceres, Makeme... There are probably hundreds more in the asteroid belt.

Stop grabbing the science tag.

 

[England my lionheart]

ok is this mean you never heared about people arrested in western countries and the CIA
sent them to middle east where they were torchered

Have you

 

[Don Penguinoini]

ok is this mean you never heared about people arrested in western countries and the CIA
sent them to middle east where they were torchered

Islamic states have no free speech... I agree.

 

[challupa]

they do the same as you do now read apiece of the topic and take it as a topic itself
yes you must fight who fight you
but when you fight you must fight your enemy not unarmed people
they take order of fight and went to kill every one in their way even he is amoslem
they will kill him
if i told you we will meet tomorrow at 12 o'clock
and you went there today at 12 o'clock
is that my mistake or your mistake
it is the same in quran
the problem with people not with religion , they do actions againt religion itself

Well I do have to agree that it is the people not the religion. However, sometimes the religion gives us the idea we are right and we then go off interpreting things in a way that makes us right and others wrong. Then when the other is wrong and we are right, we can justify to fight until we die or win. Do you see?

 

[pharon85]

Have you

have me what ? heared a bout that
come on search the web
even hollywood produced afilm about that based on a true story
the film for Reese Witherspoon it was on the top 10 us books office called Rendition

 

[challupa]

what do you mean with how mush free speech in islamic speech
do you mean no free speech because of islam
or just no free speech in islamic places
there are no free speech because of the dictators who govern
and the west support them
that what make some people be terrorists because they think they must fight them
and who support them
that is what cause the condition we are in now
in every islamic state there are some one like sadam or ben laden
doing the dirty work for the west
so the west don't talk about democracy
a question for you do you think in summer 2009 there will be no western solider in iraq?
if you say no so who will protect the oil?

Hmm... I must say you have a point there. I have heard that before, that Islam is more upset by the west's alliance with horrendous dictators that kill their own people than with the west for their ways. If the west would cease to support these dictators, would Islam terrorists cease their activities?

 

[challupa]

UPDATE: Pluto's status as a planet was removed.

Yes this is also true.

 

[pharon85]

Well I do have to agree that it is the people not the religion. However, sometimes the religion gives us the idea we are right and we then go off interpreting things in a way that makes us right and others wrong. Then when the other is wrong and we are right, we can justify to fight until we die or win. Do you see?

in islam you fight when some one come to fight you
so when no one come to fight you you won't fight with any one
also i mentioned before that you can't kill women children ,unarmed men
if they ask peace you should gave it to them
in islam it is arule if some one killed civilians and it doesn't matter what is their religion is
he must take death plenty
no thing is islam tell you to go and kill people like what happen now adays