.lava
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Islam is neither divine nor sacred to me and I will not treat it as such. Islam doesn't get to tell me what I can say about it. That is our freedom of not only speech but ideas.
would you ever stop this monolog?
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Islam is neither divine nor sacred to me and I will not treat it as such. Islam doesn't get to tell me what I can say about it. That is our freedom of not only speech but ideas.
suit Islam? Islam is written in a book. you can not disturb it or damage it or suit it. this is a social problem. you want dialog? then as you hear yourself try to hear me too.
movie was made. it exists. i am not telling you to destroy copies.
i am not offended but i can see people would be and i relate with their feelings because everyday i perform exactly the same salaat she does in movie. i say the same prayers which is taken from Qur'an, the book i know as word of God. that prayer is divine to Muslims. it might not be divine to you. this is an issue between you and God.
he did not know Islamic values. he only knew wrong-doings among Muslims.
Islam is not a person.
did i? dear, friend, do what you want. your free will, your path, your intellect. i have my own.
i would have sit down and listened to you if there were no thousands of rapes, mistreatments and women hatred in Western nations. men were given more physical power and all over the globe many men are abusive.
no, you're not right about me.
i never said that i understood the movie. you should have red my earlier posts then.
this is what you did not know. in fact, you still do not know.
it is not my own religion. i am a living human being. i try to understand everything i perceive.
do not think about me, i might be addictive.
would you ever stop this monolog?
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Ok so now Islam and Muslims are different?
This has been addressed earlier and I simply don't believe in God so it isn't an issue.
How would you know? You haven't watched the movie.
The teachings of Islam mistreat women as do Muslims.
Yes you did.
This is what's called a Red Herring.
A red herring is an argument, given in reply, that does not address the original issue. Critically, a red herring is a deliberate attempt to change the subject or divert the argument. This is known formally in the English vocabulary as a digression which is usually denoted as "red herring".
Yes I was. You didn't watch the movie therefore you don't understand the movie.
You stated that it wasn't art. In order to make such a statement you would need to understand the movie. In order to understand the movie you would need to watch it. You didn't watch the movie.
I know you make statements about things you don't understand.
Islam is mentioned next to your avatar. I thought that indicated what religion you held to.
You just might be but I use advanced Jedi trick to stop addiction.
easy. if he knew Islam, then he would have made his point without insulting Qur'an and prayers. like many others he saw wrong doings and he thought that source of those actions was Islam itself.
attempt to change subject? no, my subject is Islam and it will be my subject. let me ask you this way; isn't it illogical to blame Islam for every wrong you see in Islamic nations while Western nations have same problems?
it is not art to tease people. it is not art to insult people. it is not art to make people hate each other. i am not speaking about the movie. i am talking about how he used something that all Muslims respect from bottom of their hearts just to insult and to look down on religion.
And again how would you know if you haven't seen the movie. This movie was not made in an Islamic country but a free society. Therefore your line of reasoning is irrelevant. It simply does not apply.
So you would listen to me if there were no "thousands of rapes, mistreatments and women hatred in Western nations". Why do you need that to attend to the misdeeds of Islam?
Had you watched and understood the movie you would know that no insult was intended. But you chose to ignore the content and intent of the movie's creator in favor of this bigoted interpretation you now hold.
how would you know if you haven't seen the movie.
i am trying to be understood. it is not about movie itself. i am not talking about movie itself.
It's all been about the movie for me. This is the subject I began debating you about. Now that I know you haven't seen it there's no point in discussing it further until you do.
unavoidable end of a monolog
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But I find Muslims for the most part don't take well to criticisms of Islam
here you mix between hamas ,hezb allah and elqadeaOK let me put it this way,Hamas(Islamic resistance movement)not my words,Hezbollah (Army of God) there are more but i won't bore you with them all.
Now i'll get to the point,when these Muslims are pointed out we are told they are not Muslims because they do not follow the Quran properly and are guided by false Hadiths.
I have spoken to one of these hate filled individuals and they say that Muslims such you who i am sure follows the Quran correctly are not Muslims,now here's the problem for me,if Islam is the only true religion why are there so many different interpretations of it,i could maybe understand someone like me who does'nt read Arabic but come now many of those do.
If i truly thought the Quran(Koran) was the word of God i would adhere to it but it is just another Abrahmic religion.
Wrong on both accounts, Israeli men and women join the army at the age of 18, not 16, further more this doesnt explain why Hezballah and Hamas target civilians, are the rockets launched at Israeli towns and cities guided by the will of Allah? these rockets are pointed at civilian population exclusively. the irony is that during the Lebanon war of 2006, Hezballah targeted Arab and Jewish civilians of Israel indiscriminately.the problem here with isreal law that say every one over 16 is solider
and have military training
so if israel cancled that law you will see that they will never target civlians
I wish more Muslims were as open to criticism as you.on the contrary my friend, debates, criticism, and discussion are a must wrt us.
If you had the courage to actually view the movie and learn what the artist intended instead of making mindless bigoted comments about it then we might have had a real discussion. But I find Muslims for the most part don't take well to criticisms of Islam. All they want is to promote their religion and tell everyone how lovely it is.
i didn't say they join the army at 16 i say they start training at 16Wrong on both accounts, Israeli men and women join the army at the age of 18, not 16, further more this doesnt explain why Hezballah and Hamas target civilians, are the rockets launched at Israeli towns and cities guided by the will of Allah? these rockets are pointed at civilian population exclusively. the irony is that during the Lebanon war of 2006, Hezballah targeted Arab and Jewish civilians of Israel indiscriminately.
does a suicide bomber which explodes himself on a public bus, or a night club targets Israeli men and women who are members of the IDF?
just a quick question.. how old are you? how about respecting the intelligence of the forum members?
Islam is written in Qur'an, that is the only source without evil influence. wanna ask, wanna make claims...here you go...
i didn't say they join the army at 16 i say they start training at 16
even less ages in coloneys
you speak about targeting civilians
so can you tell me if isreal is so gentel and just fight hamas and hezb allah
why it target civilians
and i didn't disrespect any one
and i don't think any memebr here gave you the right to speak for him
I gotta ask, hun - what do you mean by "without evil influence"?
Ahh, okay. I understand what you mean now.hi Odion, i was refering to commentaries and some hadiths that added hadith books. evil influence means personal adds which rooted in one's ego [like a guy who hates women make a commentary and put rights of women into men's hand.] you know this is how God centered religion now lived as male centered ideology. so it means anything 'personal'.
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