GURSIKH
chardi kla
thanx for insight :bow:
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Islam, how much do you really know about it?
- Thread starter Gharib
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thanx for insight :bow:
oh i see
so we are now speaking with a devil
but what kind of a devil that use's internet
really the devils improved in the last 100 years
coolThere are many who are not true to Islamic teaching.
A lot of what I have found, I like.
you must tell us of what you don't like
may be we can help
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
They're more like things I don't agree with.
Mainly, Jahannam, niqab and burqa, but also the ultra-conserative imams who say "A male cannot talk to a non-mahram female", etc.
But Jahannam, niqab and burqa have been discussed too much - I am sure you are bored of discussing them.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
I think what you must realise good sir is that in the western world, all we ever see is that bad muslims, the muslims sheiks who want to kill the western world, the sheiks that publicly say all women should wear a hijab because they look like animals. That sort of thing is all we hear, never anything good, only the bad. I think maybe you should use your great knowledge of your religion to try to explain common misconceptions, to try and enforce that all islam does not follow the silly people us westerners see on tv
I'm not concerned with the 'silly people' or Muslimology. My concern is what Islam teaches.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
My knowledge of Muhammad comes from Hadith, Koran and biographies not from my own ego.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Is that so? Ask him.
I care about truth. I care about people.
This is false. Prove it.
This is false. Where have I said this? Don't put words in my mouth.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
I've spoken to many Muslims and supporters of Islam and none can support Islam's claims to the religion of peace. If I am wrong I have yet to see my error.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
I have never called anyone here a liar or a bigot. Do not paint a false picture of me.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Alla Prima,
Though I understand your intentions are quite noble - wanting truth and for Islam to change for the better (freedom to convert to and from, etc), you're going about it the wrong way.
Critisizing it heavily, constantly and whatnot will only send people towards even more conservative leanings, unfrotunately. It's human nature. People aren't insulted or critisized out of their beliefs, they're asked questions they cannot answer.
Christian fundamentalism, for example, is becoming more popular as others become more secular and more people are becoming hostile towards religion.
Wise counsel. :yes: I'll do what I can.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
The verses I posted in #1124 did not come from Western media. How do you explain them?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It is a deeply troubling link. There is indeed, so much, work to do.
Actually, they tyranny you are experiencing is due to the work of a pathetic wretch known by his pen name Harun Yahya. His real name is Adnan Oktar and he is well known in Turkey for getting many Internet sites banned in Turkey. In September 1999 Adnan Oktar was arrested following multiple scandals and further allegations that were fully covered by the Turkish media. Do read the article on him, providing of course, that Turks can view Wikipedia.comno access to youtube form my nation. see? tyranny...there are ways to get in you tube and i would watch it
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
One might ask why anyone needs the "help" of these Imams. In theory, faith in Allah ought to be enough..lava said:
Precisely. There is a thinly veiled sentiment of "we know god better than you can because we are Muslims".
The "problem" is why exactly, should non-Muslim's have to listen to the call to prayers aimed specifically at Muslims. I think you would find most of us equally uncomfortable with Christian churches announcing various services throughout the day as well. It's noise pollution.
Exactly. I think what is needed is quite a bit less white-wash and a great deal more soul searching. There shouldn't be a shadow of doubt that Muslim's do not have any cornerstone on "the truth", or any preferential direct links to God, regardless of what they would have us believe. Reality indicates that they are just as lost and confused as everyone else on this small, somewhat pathetic, planet. The great difference, like many who are intoxicated by their religious prejudices, is that they sincerely believe that they have something the rest of us do not. It is time to wake up to reality, methinks. Every day that passes simply proves this more and more to be so.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This is, in a nutshell, the problem with Islam. It is seen as "perfect" and in no need of change; rather, the individual is expected to change to adhere to the tenets laid out 1400 years ago. That is unrealistic thinking, imho and what is troubling is that 1.3 billion people on the planet would disagree. The greatest "Achilles heel" of Islam is that its fundamentals can never be changed. Curiously, Muslims have been arguing about what constitutes "change" since day one. Go figure. :flirt:
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
And not just noise polution but we don't need to have another's religion forced on us. What's intersting to me is .lava could not see the problem. That's most troubling especially since Muslims ask for so much consideration.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Not a thing, no.
The only "new" bit is .lava claiming that there is now 2 billion Muslims on this small planet and yet last year the number most often used was 1.2 or 1.3 billion people. To me, it is like the old "fish that got away" story. The number just keeps inflating...
That is VERY telling. You wouldn't be the first Muslim I have encountered that didn't actually know all that much about Islam. In fact, I'd say it is the norm, rather than the exception.
Lava do you actually believe this? ,this is another thing about Islam that mystifies me.
.lava
Veteran Member
some part of that post is from Qur'an. and yes, i do not believe i know it for sure. no offense, you believe whatever you want to believe. i trust word of God.
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.lava
Veteran Member
Actually, they tyranny you are experiencing is due to the work of a pathetic wretch known by his pen name Harun Yahya. His real name is Adnan Oktar and he is well known in Turkey for getting many Internet sites banned in Turkey. In September 1999 Adnan Oktar was arrested following multiple scandals and further allegations that were fully covered by the Turkish media. Do read the article on him, providing of course, that Turks can view Wikipedia.com
where did you get this information about him?
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Luminous
non-existential luminary
wikipedia. he told you to go there.
Those who trust word of Book do not trust word of God. word of God is given by God. Unless you can hear Allah. your believe system is based on a book and your parents. who based it on a book and their parents. and so forth.
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