Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[pharon85]

It says transgressors not Unbelievers.


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YUSUFALI: Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
PICKTHAL: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

the word followers of the book here is very accurate
because it don't mean just Jewish and Christians it mean any nation god send them book
and please check the translation closely
(who disbelieve from among the followers of the book)
you can see here it is not the followers of the book are disbelievers
also check the word from among
that mean part of the group not all the group
so there are follower of the book who will go to heaven because they are submitted to the only god

 

[Alla Prima]

the word followers of the book here is very accurate
because it don't mean just Jewish and Christians it mean any nation god send them book
and please check the translation closely
(who disbelieve from among the followers of the book)
you can see here it is not the followers of the book are disbelievers
also check the word from among
that mean part of the group not all the group
so there are follower of the book who will go to heaven because they are submitted to the only god

Who's being called the 'worst of created beings'?

 

[Luminous]

don't you think a Muslim would believe in Mohammad (PBUH) naturally?

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No, a Muhammadist would believe in him and followers and a Jesusite would belive in Jesus and follower. A Muslim would accept God's will (the past) and be happy. a Christian would believe that A Messaih (son of God) has come. But since almost all Muhammadist call themselves Muslim then the meaning of Muslim can become "one who believes in Quran/Muhammad" and Christian "one who believes Jesus was Christ"

 

[GURSIKH]

it is wrong. everyone gets what he earns. if one submits more than other one does, in the name of justice, of course they would earn different according to level of their devotion.

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is there difference in submission , i mean those who are not completely submitted will also get heaven .?

 

[pharon85]

:thud:

what?????
it is one but there are 7 property
you are in the same place but each one of it is different than the other

 

[Luminous]

the word followers of the book here is very accurate
because it don't mean just Jewish and Christians it mean any nation god send them book
and please check the translation closely
(who disbelieve from among the followers of the book)
you can see here it is not the followers of the book are disbelievers
also check the word from among
that mean part of the group not all the group
so there are follower of the book who will go to heaven because they are submitted to the only god

What are you, a Bahhaii?

 

[Luminous]

it is wrong. everyone gets what he earns. if one submits more than other one does, in the name of justice, of course they would earn different according to level of their devotion.

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Why is Seventh Level better? Isn't all of heaven bliss?
I consider myself a Muslim and a seeker of God. I might not believe Muhammad's version of perfect submission but then i will still Go to heaven? I would be confortable in seventh'(last/worst/first) heaven. i think that if they exist at all it would be the one with the least mediocre minds.

 

[GURSIKH]

what?????
it is one but there are 7 property

plz ellaborate 7 properties for me .

love

 

[pharon85]

Are you saying that there is no reason to be Muhammadist Muslim. or to follow Sharia law and the such?

there are no thing called muhammadist moslem
we just call it islam
what i mean is we believe in all religions and prophets that god sent
but is that religions today is the same as god sent ?
for sure no,because they modified their holly books
so the true messages god sent disappeared
that happened in every nation
so god sent prophet after prophet
until prophet mohamed
the last prophet with the last message

 

[pharon85]

he means that the word heaven is not specific. as in i'm on earth or i'm on my chair. You can be in heaven but not In the good part. Is this right?
MOre like seven parts of heaven.

this mean levels
all who enter heaven are good people
but are they as good as each other
no one is good but another one is so good
so both will go to heaven but in different levels on it

 

[Luminous]

And Buddha? Krishna ?

Joseph Smith and Laosi? etc?

 

[Luminous]

there are no thing called muhammadist moslem
we just call it islam

You are a Muhammadist if you believe Muhammad; post #1343 explains it little more.

 

[Luminous]

this mean levels
all who enter heaven are good people
but are they as good as each other?
no. one is good but another one is better
so both will go to heaven but in different levels on it

i think i fixed the above grammar. ithink.

 

[pharon85]

And Buddha? Krishna ?

if they are prophets came with the message from god that god is one
so they and the flowers are in heaven
but is the message of them now is the same as they came with ?
i don't think so

 

[Luminous]

And Buddha? Krishna ?

What about Bobby Henderson? (Pasta be upon him)

 

[Luminous]

if they are prophets came with the message from god that god is one
so they and the flowers are in heaven
but is the message of them now is the same as they came with ?
i don't think so

Buddha's message was and remains very straight forward. "end suffering by learning four noble truths and following the 8 fold path."
The Quran was edited. prove me wrong. bring me the original poem writen by Muhammad.

 

[pharon85]

Who's being called the 'worst of created beings'?

who tell me, i don't know

 

[Luminous]

who tell me, i don't know

The people of the book and pagans. both idolaters.

Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

those who disbelieve in Muhammadist Islam.

 

[pharon85]

is there difference in submission , i mean those who are not completely submitted will also get heaven .?

submitted mean full submittion

 

[Luminous]

submitted mean full submittion

i dought that you are fully submitted. becuase you believe in book but not let things be as they are (God's will). Being a Muhammadist means you don't care if God is not like Muhammad said and you'll just do what ever the Quran says which is like christians do whatever their bible say. Both of these are written by men and only the slothful would not care to scruttenize them.