Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's called the paradox of tolerance.
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Islam vs western values
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ppp
Well-Known Member
The benefit is in protecting the specific people who are the target of the specific individuals.
ppp
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It is best to understand and address where all of the agreements and disagreements are.
We literally do not all agree on the basics.
In Australia the Western courts allow shared custody of the child so long as one of the parents isn't abusive, why do you think it is different if a woman sleeps with a lot of men and becomes pregnant to one or more of them if she becomes pregnant at all?
Then move to Iran and submit yourself to be the slave of a shia Muslim if you think its better than life here in the West, nobody will stop you in my view.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Sometimes what isn't said says more than what is said. Here we have the wicked woman who must be controlled to prevent her being naked and sleeping around, but no mention of the men she sleeps with.
The reason why I dont pretend the harm disappears is because humans evolved as a social species. There are plenty of animals that individually are stronger than individual humans eg bears tigers elephants etc. Humans came to dominate them all because instead of all humans turning on each other we worked together co-operatively as a group.
You are also not looking at the bigger picture, if the world's 1.8billion Muslims decided collectively to enslave the western folk those 1.8 billion could easily be turned to nuclear waste in a lesser of two evils scenario. So it is pretty clear that your proposed action would only result in more harm than good to me.
If we could see some aliens in the past that would be a valid analogy, but since we can't unlike gay people which we have seen some in the past in my view.
Sure, the environment has to be suitable for the production of ice, and the environment has to be suitable for the production of gays, but the only environment necessary for the production of gays is for normal humans to reproduce in my view, otherwise we wouldn't have seen gays in the past eg that king you acknowledged as gay Mehmet or whatever his name was in my opinion.
idea
Question Everything
Which group of Muslims? It seems there are many different groups of Muslims who do not agree with one another. The personality which steals, murders, plunders - this happens within themselves as with others.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Nah. There's also Wiz Khalifa.
Of course I feel better about fighting off slavery. If you dont then feel free to submit.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You haven't noticed the peculiarities? Especially his avatar which was revealed to be a Catholic Spaniard (although ultra conservative Muslims are known for thinking sports are haram). His indulgences in Western things he condemns. Very false claims about Muslims and slavery (verified to be false even by those in a Muslim majority country). And more misrepresentations of Islam (they don't dismiss philosophy). And an understanding of history that would make modern Turkey cringe.
ppp
Well-Known Member
From experience. Though I don't why you think that is relevant.
Observation of people disagreeing on honesty, justice, compassion, kindness, generosity, and work ethic.
idea
Question Everything
I agree that we all rely on experience. In legal cases, we seek a jury who has similar experience as ourselves. Just survival instincts, just/kind etc. = anyone who agrees/helps us. We're all just trying to survive based on what our experience has taught us.
I guess I grew up in/live in a diverse area where most people help one another despite religious/political differences.
That is a change in religious practice in my view.
Which Islam?,there appears to be many to choose from and their values are not uniform,one Muslims “what your right hand posses” is another’s “no comment”,I sincerely hope Islam embraces education and not ignorance in the future.
A)You have not demonstrated that gays being bad is a morality of most of human history, only claimed it in my view.
B) In societies where bad ideas are not free to be challenged bad ideas will stand for a long time. So your answer, because it has always been so just amounts to saying, "I found my forefathers this way and in their way I follow" which is a "reason", just not a very good reason in my opinion.