other than hadith, are there any other source to get methods to perform salats for the Qur'anists?
is this post so silly that it dont deserve a reply ????
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other than hadith, are there any other source to get methods to perform salats for the Qur'anists?
Where did I say that moderate Muslims are not Muslims? You seem to be missing the entire course of the debate here. I am not the one who said that people who use violence and terror are not true Muslims, or that Sharia inspired regimes are not truly Islamic. It's the other way around, its the other members who used the not true Scotsman fallacy, so please don't turn it around at me or Falvlun.But that is the point. Why and how exactly does anyone who makes no claim to being a Muslim get to decide that Muslims can't do that - or what you perceive as such?
is this post so silly that it dont deserve a reply ????
Where did I say that moderate Muslims are not Muslims? You seem to be missing the entire course of the debate here. I am not the one who said that people who use violence and terror are not true Muslims, or that Sharia inspired regimes are not truly Islamic. It's the other way around, its the other members who used the not true Scotsman fallacy, so please don't turn it around at me or Falvlun.
I understand why stephen would not want Islam to be associated with negative realities, but how come he gets to the define these aspects of reality as non Islamic?
How on earth do we get to redefine Islam as pro feminism, but ended up calling gender inequality in Islam as actually Unislamic? that's pure denial.
Ha ha. Actually you will be surprised to find how many folks within remote Eastern villages will still huddle around a TV watching English language channels. So for good or ill the west's Enlightenment period ideas has had the most reach and impact universally than the Far East. (Not to mention the idea of a peaceful Eastern/Buddhist society doesn't exist in reality, see Stephen T. Asma's semi-ethnographic The Gods Drink Whiskey for a good dispelling of that and more myths about the East)
How about the idea that Enlightenment ideas are really at odds with Islam? Now we get into complicated territory.
Is there any reason why people can't just come up with their own?
Because he is a Muslim. And it is more like reinforcing what he sees Islam as being about than exactly dissociating from the negative examples.
hi luis,
i dont know, but i would like to know that from ssainhu, that is, whether Qura'nists rely on hadiths or not to adopt methods for their salats, hence i asked. She said qura'nists discards hadiths.
1- Standing in the Salat 7:29.
2- Avoid standing in front of the ones who deliver the Salat 4:102.
3- Bowing and prostrating. Ref. 22:77, 22:26, 3:43, 2:125
4- Deliver the Salat in MEDIUM tone. Ref. 17:110
5- Praise the Lord / God while during the Salat and Praise his sole authority. Ref. 17:111
6- Deliver the Salat in the language u understand. Ref. 4:43
7- Turn your face towards the direction of Kaaba. 2:144, 2:149
8- Recite from the Quran the passages that PRAISE God. Ref. 17:111, 29:45.
9- Prereqisite of Salat: Wuddu := Ref. 5:6
10- The closing act of the Salat is the prostration: 4:102
Ssainhu, what is your opinion of (historical & modern) liberal strains of tasawwuf that, in many cases, discarded (covertly) even the quran?
I bet a Qur'anist could answer this better
By the perversion of bias, the two become the same. In order to enforce the ideal of Islam, one discards everything else that otherwise characterizes it. This is denial, and it is unworthy of even approaching the ideal if they cannot recognize the real.
i think that 'quran only muslim' poster just checks hadiths with quran passages to find any contradictions, as there is no contradictions he comes to conclusion that it is not wrong to practice salat as per hadiths, so in effect that 'quran only' muslim guy follow hadiths for his salat. And this is just his intepretation, we are not sure about other 'qura'nists' intepretations.
hi ssainhu,
so you dont have accurate knowledge about their practice? ssainhu, i think then you should not talk for them here.
i think that 'quran only muslim' poster just checks hadiths with quran passages to find any contradictions, as there is no contradictions he comes to conclusion that it is not wrong to practice salat as per hadiths, so in effect that 'quran only' muslim guy follow hadiths for his salat. And this is just his intepretation, we are not sure about other 'qura'nists' intepretations.
hi ssainhu,
so you dont have accurate knowledge about their practice? ssainhu, i think then you should not talk for them here.
i think that 'quran only muslim' poster just checks hadiths with quran passages to find any contradictions, as there is no contradictions he comes to conclusion that it is not wrong to practice salat as per hadiths, so in effect that 'quran only' muslim guy follow hadiths for his salat. And this is just his intepretation, we are not sure about other 'qura'nists' intepretations.
Quite funny how this subject changed from "Islamist" to Quranist and Hadith users.
You have on occasion, even in this very thread, pointed out that certain questionable points come from Hadith instead of Quran, Ssainhu.
I seem to remember a few posts on the Quranist DIR as well, but that was long ago and not really conclusive.
Is that even a problem, though? One can legitimally believe that the Quran is inerrant and the Hadiths are unstrustworthy and use the recommendations for Salat practice nevertheless.
All that means is that the form of Salat is not inquestionable and immutable. Hardly a major problem.