Point taken about you not being a Quranist.
Or maybe it is. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, after all.
Not my place to say.
Or maybe it is. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, after all.
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Not my place to say.
Can I call you remarkable?Call me a Qur'anist, call me a kaafir... whatever.
Can I call you remarkable?
Not reallyEven funnier that I'm now being accused of speaking for Qur'anists? :help:
I don't belief Muslims in the East really care what the West thinks about them except the Western Muslims? I don't know what the point is though because some verses that speak of war defiantly need a Hadith interpretation. Lets not forget that these "Terrorist'' most of the time only use Quran's without Hadith interpretations or any education regarding those verses. Denying the hadiths is denying history in my eyes.Isn't it natural? From the outside, the controversies about how to deal with Hadiths in relation to the Quran look fairly central to the current inner controversies of the Muslim community
Will "a lovely human being" do?Call me a Qur'anist, call me a kaafir... whatever.
Will "a lovely human being" do?
Not really
I don't belief Muslims in the East really care what the West thinks about them except the Western Muslims? I don't know what the point is though because some verses that speak of war defiantly need a Hadith interpretation. Lets not forget that these "Terrorist'' most of the time only use Quran's without Hadith interpretations or any education regarding those verses. Denying the hadiths is denying history in my eyes.
Is that even a problem, though? One can legitimally believe that the Quran is inerrant and the Hadiths are unstrustworthy and use the recommendations for Salat practice nevertheless.
All that means is that the form of Salat is not inquestionable and immutable. Hardly a major problem.
Depends on who you ask. Sunnis will say yes, Qur'anists will say no.
i did not mean you tried to represent qura'nists, but you made the statement about them that they will say 'no' if asked if they follow hadiths to get methods for their salats. You should not say things about which you are unsure of.I never claimed to represent Qur'anists, nor did I claim to be one.
Not sure where you got that idea.
And what on earth are you even saying here? Who are you talking about?
What are you talking about? I simply made the point that i am not surprised and it is indeed hard to understand what you belief in or not.OK, go ahead, F0uad, why don't you speak for me then? Obviously you know me better than I know myself.
I wasn't even talking about you but about myself...... yes, in YOUR eyes, and no one is denying you that right.
I don't recall denying all Hadith, only saying that I find many of them cause argument even among Muslims *everywhere*, not just in the big, bad West. I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree, my friend.
of course they can, but see what ssainhu said in her post when i asked her whether qura'nists take recommendations from hadiths
this is why i requested her to stop talking on behalf of Qura'nists, she is spreading wrong information here knowingly or unknowingly that there are people who dont follow hadeeth, being that she is not a qura'nist or dont know about their practice and belief. It just creates confusion in peoples mind.
It will probably sound odd, even disrespectful to most Muslims, but I sure do feel that you take your scripture way too seriously. And I am firmly convinced that scripture is just about the less significant aspect of most any religion, to boot.
Allah named us muslim in a particular context. That context isnt our name. We do not all have to change our names to Muslim or Muslimah.
What is that context? That context, if one reads all the ayat about islam and muslim from Quran, is a description of our personal beliefs and actions. These beliefs and actions arent even limited to the people in the world we know as Muslims. Many, many people have them even if they have never opened Quran or use the term Muslim. One will see in Quran that the only acceptable deen is islam (3/19) yet many personalities have nothing to fear nor grieve (2/62 and 5/69). Why is this the case? Because islam is not a name in the labelling sense, its an attitude
+1Can I call you remarkable?
I think a distinctive European Islam is emerging.For what it's worth, for quite some time, I've maintained that what we are seeing, particularly in North America and to a somewhat lesser extent in Europe, may well become a third major division within Islam. Modernist Islam, perhaps?
I am a vegan, so I suppose you could say that I do. My veganism is in part informed by my religious beliefs.Do you eat Halal?
Pretty muchAbstain from alcohol?
see aboveAvoid pork?
YesPreform Salat?
I'd love toPlanning to make the Hajj?
YesPay Zakat?
YesFast during the month of Ramadan?
I am a vegan, so I suppose you could say that I do. My veganism is in part informed by my religious beliefs.
Pretty much
see above
Yes
I'd love to
Yes
Yes
But so what?
i did not mean you tried to represent qura'nists, but you made the statement about them that they will say 'no' if asked if they follow hadiths to get methods for their salats. You should not say things about which you are unsure of.
Why are you so personal? Why do you have problems with my views? I find the Hadiths very useful i and did not condemn your beliefs or opinions even if they seem so radical in my eyes.
What are you talking about? I simply made the point that i am not surprised and it is indeed hard to understand what you belief in or not.
I wasn't even talking about you but about myself...
Maybe you should take a break?
Hahaha on purpose?I'm vague on purpose. . F0uad, let's call a truce here; you and I don't see eye-to-eye, because I have a different outlook than you on many issues.
Yes but that doesn't mean i condemn the other person or simply call him a kaffir when he or she sees things differently.You said that anyone who rejects Hadith rejects history in your eyes and I simply said, that's in your eyes.
I don't need a break, I'm good.