JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Howz about we just nuke the whole ME?
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Israel dragging USA down
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Alceste
Vagabond
Without credible efforts at international efforts diplomacy like the UN, that's pretty much what it boils down to.
Shermana
Heretic
Then you'd unleash the Nuclear genie and his many many dirty friends in America, especially the ones in Michigan which have links right to Hezbollah.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oddly, I told you this many posts back. You didn't seem impressed enough to even comment. Sorry, you made me laugh when you cited the UN Human Rights Council. Are you serious? That group has been an embarrassment for several years now. Durban 1 & 2 ring any bells? Durban 3 perhaps?According to a report commissioned by the Secretary-General to investigate the flotilla incident, the blockade is legal. According to the UN's Human Rights Council, it isn't.
U.N. experts say Israel's blockade of Gaza illegal | World | Reuters
So it seems this is a matter of opinion, not fact. I'll be more careful in the future to differentiate between the two if you will as well.
Seriously, would you expect that lot to find Israel's actions anything but illegal?
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Lol Israel gets nuked first. Arab rejoice as Western leaders just tell them that we wanted to get rid of Israel.
And then in one massive motion all of the Western countries with Nuclear arms unleash on all the major targets in ME, including Turkey.
There would be no chance for Israel or any Arab country to strike back
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This certainly qualifies as the stupidest post of the week.Lol Israel gets nuked first. Arab rejoice as Western leaders just tell them that we wanted to get rid of Israel.
And then in one massive motion all of the Western countries with Nuclear arms unleash on all the major targets in ME, including Turkey.
There would be no chance for Israel or any Arab country to strike back
Shermana
Heretic
Lol Israel gets nuked first. Arab rejoice as Western leaders just tell them that we wanted to get rid of Israel.
And then in one massive motion all of the Western countries with Nuclear arms unleash on all the major targets in ME, including Turkey.
There would be no chance for Israel or any Arab country to strike back
What part about Hezbollah-linked Muslims in America with dirty bombs didn't you understand?
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JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
I ignore silly xenophobic paranoia such as that.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Evidently, that is not all you prefer to ignore.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Lol yeah, at least I do not ignore criminal acts, no matter who performs them.
Shermana
Heretic
New Terror Threat On Mexico Border :: IPT in the News :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism
Hezbollah Using Mexico?s Drug Tunnels To Infiltrate The U.S.If the cartels can smuggle drugs and people into America, al-Qaida have to know they can smuggle in trained terrorists or the makings of a dirty bomb.
Dirty bomb rockets ready
That's British MI6 who reported that Hezbollah has dirty bomb rockets.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
You do realize how incredibly absurd that sounds, right? Pity Alceste already broke my irony meter.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
LOL now I am a leftist?
Yet when you see what I believe about marriage and abortion I will be called a homophobic conservative.
But hey, I am reading this from a guy who accused me of being anti-semitism and believing replacement theology lol. Seems your better at indirect insults then you are able to back up your claims
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
lol none of this gives real proof of Hebollah agents being in America with a dirty bomb.
Who said I was talking about you? Man, you are touchy.LOL now I am a leftist?
Yet when you see what I believe about marriage and abortion I will be called a homophobic conservative.
But hey, I am reading this from a guy who accused me of being anti-semitism and believing replacement theology lol. Seems your better at indirect insults then you are able to back up your claims
Oh, btw...Ad Hom, Ad Hom, Ad Hom...
ADD: The default Catholic doctrine, as expressed by your blessed bumbling "holiness"(and his predecessors) ARE replacement theology. Don't like it? Abandon Xtian faith.
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Alceste
Vagabond
Oddly, I told you this many posts back. You didn't seem impressed enough to even comment. Sorry, you made me laugh when you cited the UN Human Rights Council. Are you serious? That group has been an embarrassment for several years now. Durban 1 & 2 ring any bells? Durban 3 perhaps?
They're doing a much better job on the human rights portfolio than you and I are, so I find your scorn bewildering. Who, in your opinion, is doing a better job of issuing opinions on the adherence of various states to international human rights laws?
Alceste
Vagabond
Heck, you might as well join him, you have such a similarly unenlightening debating style.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I have to post it one more time (sorry) because I am truly interested to hear other viewpoints on the issues I brought up. If they're really irrelevent to the conversation, I apologize for repeating them, and I'll get over my confusion shortly I guess.
Kuwait expelled 450,000 Palestinians at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. Prior to that expulsion, Palestinians made up nearly 30 percent of Kuwait's population.
Jordan continues to refuse citizenship applications from Palestinians -they absolutely will not allow a Palestinian to become a citizen, no way, no how. In fact, in the case of Palestinians who have in the past been able to become citizens, their Jordanian citizenship has been REVOKED.
Lebanon greatly restricts the basic rights of Palestinian refugees. They are denied access to Lebanese healthcare. They are not allowed to own property, and have to have special permission to even leave their camp. They are not alllowed to work in most job categories. Amnesty International has decried their treatment repeatedly.
The Arab League has instructed it's members to deny citizenship rights to Palestinians.
In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 13 declares that "Everyone has the right to leave any country including his own, and to return to his country." Every single Arab League state voted AGAINST this resolution!
The Arab States are no friends to the Palestinians - in part because loosely affiliated people in the Palestine area opposed heavy handed Muslim rule in the 19th century.
In fact, Palestinians have NEVER ruled themselves - they were dominated by the Ottoman Empire, then by the British, then by Jordan and Egypt, and of course Israel.
The "Palestinian Identity" is a fairly new concept, dating back to the early twentieth century. Prior to that time frame, the people living in the Palestine area identified themselves via religious and clan affiliation. In fact, genetically speaking, most Palestinians are descended from Levantine Christians and Jews, though over the centuries many converted to Islam. Before the 1948 war, the term "Palestinian" meant ANYONE from "Palestine," - including Jews living in the area.
The British Census of 1922 registered 752,048 inhabitants in Palestine, consisting of 660,641 Palestinian Arabs (Christian and Muslim Arabs), 83,790 Palestinian Jews, and 7,617 persons belonging to other groups. The corresponding percentage breakdown is 87% Christian and Muslim Arab and 11% Jewish. Bedouin were not counted in the census, but a 1930 British study estimated their number at 70,860.
In 1968 the Palestine National Council defined "Palestinian" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father – whether in Palestine or outside it – is also a Palestinian."
(Various Wiki articles as source.)
I just thought this was all pretty interesting.
I firmly believe that the ONLY reason that the Arab states "support" Palestinian rights (and some pretty poor support that is) is because they want to see the complete and total dissolution of the state of Israel. They couldn't care less about the actual human rights of Palestinians.
The Palestinians are a pawn. I feel sorry for them - they are a desperate people who are not wanted by anyone - but in their desperation must allow themselves to be used. Their Arab supporters will no doubt discard them like unneeded trash once their own political motives are fulfilled.
Kuwait expelled 450,000 Palestinians at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. Prior to that expulsion, Palestinians made up nearly 30 percent of Kuwait's population.
Jordan continues to refuse citizenship applications from Palestinians -they absolutely will not allow a Palestinian to become a citizen, no way, no how. In fact, in the case of Palestinians who have in the past been able to become citizens, their Jordanian citizenship has been REVOKED.
Lebanon greatly restricts the basic rights of Palestinian refugees. They are denied access to Lebanese healthcare. They are not allowed to own property, and have to have special permission to even leave their camp. They are not alllowed to work in most job categories. Amnesty International has decried their treatment repeatedly.
The Arab League has instructed it's members to deny citizenship rights to Palestinians.
In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 13 declares that "Everyone has the right to leave any country including his own, and to return to his country." Every single Arab League state voted AGAINST this resolution!
The Arab States are no friends to the Palestinians - in part because loosely affiliated people in the Palestine area opposed heavy handed Muslim rule in the 19th century.
In fact, Palestinians have NEVER ruled themselves - they were dominated by the Ottoman Empire, then by the British, then by Jordan and Egypt, and of course Israel.
The "Palestinian Identity" is a fairly new concept, dating back to the early twentieth century. Prior to that time frame, the people living in the Palestine area identified themselves via religious and clan affiliation. In fact, genetically speaking, most Palestinians are descended from Levantine Christians and Jews, though over the centuries many converted to Islam. Before the 1948 war, the term "Palestinian" meant ANYONE from "Palestine," - including Jews living in the area.
The British Census of 1922 registered 752,048 inhabitants in Palestine, consisting of 660,641 Palestinian Arabs (Christian and Muslim Arabs), 83,790 Palestinian Jews, and 7,617 persons belonging to other groups. The corresponding percentage breakdown is 87% Christian and Muslim Arab and 11% Jewish. Bedouin were not counted in the census, but a 1930 British study estimated their number at 70,860.
In 1968 the Palestine National Council defined "Palestinian" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father – whether in Palestine or outside it – is also a Palestinian."
(Various Wiki articles as source.)
I just thought this was all pretty interesting.
I firmly believe that the ONLY reason that the Arab states "support" Palestinian rights (and some pretty poor support that is) is because they want to see the complete and total dissolution of the state of Israel. They couldn't care less about the actual human rights of Palestinians.
The Palestinians are a pawn. I feel sorry for them - they are a desperate people who are not wanted by anyone - but in their desperation must allow themselves to be used. Their Arab supporters will no doubt discard them like unneeded trash once their own political motives are fulfilled.