Alceste
Vagabond
Israel does very little in the name of peace.
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Israel dragging USA down
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Israel does very little in the name of peace.
I'm sorry, I call B.S.
In my view, there doesn't seem to be any christian on this thread, oh sure we go to church, we believe in God, but that is all, well we have done our little bit, but the truth is there is still a war raging between God and the devil, and only in the bible are we made aware of what is happening.
Alceste
Vagabond
What kind of man names his dog B.S.?
Well, I thought Big Sam was a great name.
I'm getting ready to go to a fish fry, but when I get back I will list all the peace treaties that went wrong.
I'm not going to convince you with any facts, you have made up your mind already.
You could say we are both stubborn, but it does make for a good debate.
Alceste
Vagabond
Well, I thought Big Sam was a great name.
I'm getting ready to go to a fish fry, but when I get back I will list all the peace treaties that went wrong.
I'm not going to convince you with any facts, you have made up your mind already.
You could say we are both stubborn, but it does make for a good debate.
It's cute how you call your opinions "facts". Enjoy your fish!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well, Rick, if the peace-loving "Palestinians" ever broke any treaties it is obviously because they were provoked.
The Jews are always the bad guys. No, honest.
"Palestinians" are just peace, love and beards. No, really.
Alceste
Vagabond
Amazing how the conservative mind simply can not contain the concept that both sides in a violent conflict are equally guilty of committing violence.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oddly, I hadn't noticed you mention acts of violence on the "Palestinian" side. You seemed to be far more fixated on blaming Israel for existing.
She suffers from a condition of the Canadian mind, to see only one side of any issue.
Tis just as I suffer from a Revoltistanian peccadillo of seeing Canadians as slow witted people who are ripe for conquering.
We all have our blind spots.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I am one of Alceste's fellow Canadians, Revoltingest. Slow-witted?
Boost your IQ....move to Revoltistan, located in tropical SE MI!I am one of Alceste's fellow Canadians, Revoltingest. Slow-witted?
We average almost 100 down here.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well, moving to South-East, Michigan is certainly a revolting idea. Do you take your slabs of bacon with you to Dearborn?
Ah, Dearborn.....no need to bring food when La Shish beckons.
Hmmm.....an idea this gives me, since I've some tasks at the Ford Museum this winter.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Irrelevant drivel.
Alceste
Vagabond
That there is unacceptable violence on the Palestinian side is a given. In all the debates I've participated in I've never heard anyone deny it or defend it. Only the Israeli side has blinkered defenders who apparently need reminding that Israel is also responsible for some pretty terrible crimes against the Palestinians.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Ah, I see, and you are more than happy to point out each and every infraction. Very sporting of you.
Since one is addressing an unrelenting and delusional defending position, in what other way is it possible to address it except by pointing out each and every infraction?
Or even what would be the problem with pointing that out in the first place when facing such position?
Alceste
Vagabond
Each and every infraction? Lol - I haven't even begun to scratch the surface. The human rights abuses in Palestine are systemic. For Israel, the torture, killing, extra-judicial detainment, harassment, collective punishment and destruction of property of Palestinians are the rule, not the exception. Why don't you try pointing out a few instances of the magnanimous good works you seem to think the IDF and Zionist settlers are doing for Palestinians in the occupied territories?
Alceste
Vagabond
Exactly. I hear people saying things like "Israel never starts anything - they only react" and "Israel is the victim" and "Jews have better reasons for killing Muslims than Muslims have for killing Jews" and something snaps. I just can't listen to it. If people were making such outrageous statements about the behavior of Islamic states - or even my own country - that same thing would snap.
I find these conversations sad. 60 years ago, Germany would have been the target of my criticism. When I criticize Israel because I respect the human rights and dignity of Palestinians, inevitably a Jewish or conservative member will immediately accuse me of antisemitism.
I wish people would realize that human rights advocates are not the enemy. People who would use violence to attain their political or demographic objectives are the enemy.