Israel Fires on Humanitarian Aid Flotilla

[Levite]

A good piece worth a read:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/

 

[sandandfoam]

If you condemn Israel but not the Palestinians, you've got a pretty obvious double standard yourself.

I know you weren 't speaking to me. But here's my 2 cents anyway
I see a difference between them.
As I see it, Israeli's live in a functioning, modern, western democracy.
Palestinians I understand to be caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand they could vote for a corrupt Fatah on the other for a nutty Hamas.

Hamas is an organisation I am against because it is violent. Launching missiles against Israel is criminal.
I hope eventually that Hamas and the men of violence will realize that their methods are counterproductive. In the meanwhile I see them as a despicable organisation.

I expect more from Israel.

 

[Caladan]

More footage of 'peace' activists building moral before sailing:

[youtube]b3L7OV414Kk[/youtube]
YouTube - Gaza flotilla participants invoked killing of Jews

 

[Tanuki]

What a bunch of anti-Jewish, bigoted claptrap. First of all, playing the "my suffering is bigger than your suffering" game is never productive.

Second of all, by your own previously stated logic, this "displacement" of Palestinians happend over 60 years ago! Why don't they just "get over it and move on?!"

Jews have a State. Get over it. Move on. It should be pretty easy for you, considering that Jews have one tiny, resource-poor state, and Arabs and Muslims have dozens of large, resource-rich states. Arabs and Muslims control the entirety of the Middle East, the Arabian peninsula, North Africa, and Ionian Asia. Israel is a snip of land barely as large as the US State of Delaware. Cry me a river, buddy.

This whole notion that somehow the Jewish people don't deserve their own country, but Muslim States and Arab countries (not to mention that most of the countries in Europe are technically Christian nations) are okay is just anti-Jewish bigotry. There has always been a Jewish presence in Israel. Granted, we were a minority for most of the last fifteen hundred years. But things change.

Israel is here, and not going anywhere. Best get used to it and start thinking about what to do now.

Firstly, I'm not your buddy.

Secondly, it's not anti-Jewish to call into question the facts surrounding the holocaust.

Third, there is a great deal of difference between what happened to a number of European Jews and what the State of Israel has done to the Palestinian people since declaring its statehood. Give them back THEIR land and then we can start thinking about how to move forward.

In brief, I'm not anti-Jew but I am anti-Israel and Zionism.

 

[DeitySlayer]

Secondly, it's not anti-Jewish to call into question the facts surrounding the holocaust.

No, but it's incredibly moronic when you can't provide sources who have credentials or knowledge in the field of European demographics pre/post WWII.

 

[Tanuki]

No, but it's incredibly moronic when you can't provide sources who have credentials or knowledge in the field of European demographics pre/post WWII.

Any evidence I give for my position will immediately shot down in flames by people like you because you are too scared to be labelled an anti-semite. I've seen it so many times. Now that is moronic.

 

[DeitySlayer]

Any evidence I give for my position will immediately shot down in flames by people like you because you are too scared to be labelled an anti-semite. I've seen it so many times. Now that is moronic.

Not really. I'm fully against the state of Israel. See I said it! And I think that Israel was at fault for the incident yesterday by boarding the ship in international waters, an illegal act, which makes them indirectly responsible for any confrontation that followed.

But what evidence do you have for the low-figure Holocaust estimate?

 

[Smoke]

I expect more from Israel.

That's just another way of saying you have a double standard, isn't it?

But why would you expect more from Israel in the first place? Isn't it because Israel has exercised greater restraint, exerted greater effort to protect human rights, and just generally behaved in a more civilized manner than Hamas and its allies? You expect more from Israel; you get more from Israel, too.

 

[Bismillah]

That's just another way of saying you have a double standard, isn't it?

Just curious, what is the double standard?

I never really expected much from a country founded and expanded by the means Israel has. The government acted like I expected them to act.

 

[sandandfoam]

That's just another way of saying you have a double standard, isn't it?

But why would you expect more from Israel in the first place? Isn't it because Israel has exercised greater restraint, exerted greater effort to protect human rights, and just generally behaved in a more civilized manner than Hamas and its allies? You expect more from Israel; you get more from Israel, too.

Of course there's a double standard.
One applies to a modern western democracy the other to violent thugs.
Should I not expect more of Israel than Hamas?

 

[Levite]

Firstly, I'm not your buddy.

Secondly, it's not anti-Jewish to call into question the facts surrounding the holocaust.

Third, there is a great deal of difference between what happened to a number of European Jews and what the State of Israel has done to the Palestinian people since declaring its statehood. Give them back THEIR land and then we can start thinking about how to move forward.

In brief, I'm not anti-Jew but I am anti-Israel and Zionism.

Translation: you're a bigot and a holocaust denier. You have no credibility.

 

[Tanuki]

Translation: you're a bigot and a holocaust denier. You have no credibility.

Only because I don't agree with you. That doesn't make me a bigot, it shows I have a brain of my own. As for being a holocaust denier, I have said it happened, however I do not believe it was on the scale that we have been told. There are far too many questions surrounding it that remain unanswered.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that for a fact? do tell, who brought the holocaust into this debate?

It is mere opinion, & I don't believe any single individual broached the subject.

 

[Sajdah]

Caladan: You did a nice job in promoting your government's lies, and we are waiting for more lies to justify a massacre which will be added to the long list of massacres done by the zionist entity, but I don't think that you will find many idiots to believe them this time!

 

[Caladan]

It is mere opinion, & I don't believe any single individual broached the subject.

It was certainly injected to this thread by a Muslim member, who then went to inform us that 'there were not even 6 million Jews in the world during the holocaust'.

 

[Caladan]

Caladan: You did a nice job in promoting your government's lies, and we are waiting for more lies to justify a massacre which will be added to the long list of massacres done by the zionist entity, but I don't think that you will find many idiots to believe them this time!

Only time will tell if nations such as European nations will continue to pay lip service to Muslims or if they will stop applying double standards to Israel, while in their own nations they ban minarets and Islamic article of clothing.
either way, as the resident 'Zionist', thanks for the support Sajdah, its good to know I can always count on certain members for feedback.

 

[Kathryn]

For arguments sake let's agree your right. If so -
Was it not moronic of the Israeli government to play along?

Well, hindsight is always 20/20 and armchair quarterbacking is almost certainly never to result in serious injury.

I am continuing to follow the story and since I've been at work all day, I haven't had time to catch up on the latest developments. Israel may have used poor judgment - or they may have been forced into a lose/lose situation. I'll let you know what conclusion I come to on this soon.

Meanwhile - I respect your intelligence. In all sincerity - what do you think Israel's response should have been - IF this was, for the sake of argument - orchestrated and supported by radical elements?

 

[dogsgod]

Well, hindsight is always 20/20 and armchair quarterbacking is almost certainly never to result in serious injury.

I am continuing to follow the story and since I've been at work all day, I haven't had time to catch up on the latest developments. Israel may have used poor judgment - or they may have been forced into a lose/lose situation. I'll let you know what conclusion I come to on this soon.

Meanwhile - I respect your intelligence. In all sincerity - what do you think Israel's response should have been - IF this was, for the sake of argument - orchestrated and supported by radical elements?

UN chief Ban Ki-moon:

"Had Israelis heeded to my call and to the call of the international community by lifting the blockade of Gaza, this tragic incident would not have happened," the UN secretary general said.

 

[Smoke]

UN chief Ban Ki-moon:

"Had Israelis heeded to my call and to the call of the international community by lifting the blockade of Gaza, this tragic incident would not have happened," the UN secretary general said.

No ****. And if Gaza weren't run by a terrorist group, the blockade wouldn't be necessary.

 

[YmirGF]

UN chief Ban Ki-moon:

"Had Israelis heeded to my call and to the call of the international community by lifting the blockade of Gaza, this tragic incident would not have happened," the UN secretary general said.

If the "Palestinian" people would just lay down their weapons and work towards a realistic, lasting peace, the blockade would become unnecessary. Ban Ki-moon is a putz.