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Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Again, you don't know what you're talking about: "Jew" is a nationality; "Judaism" is a religion.



What is the nationality of Israel?


Members of the Jewish nationality form the core part of Israel's citizenry, while the Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that an Israeli nationality does not exist. Legislation has defined Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people since 2018.



The flagrant use and defining an ethnicity as a nation is one of the rude aspects of the biased.

The best method of observing the error of claiming Jews are a nationality is by their own choice; the majority DO NOT and WILL NOT live in israel.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What is the nationality of Israel?


Members of the Jewish nationality form the core part of Israel's citizenry, while the Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that an Israeli nationality does not exist. Legislation has defined Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people since 2018.



The flagrant use and defining an ethnicity as a nation is one of the rude aspects of the biased.

The best method of observing the error of claiming Jews are a nationality is by their own choice; the majority DO NOT and WILL NOT live in israel.
You really don't know what you're talking about and you keep digging the hole you're in deeper and deeper.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
You really don't know what you're talking about and you keep digging the hole you're in deeper and deeper.
Of course, you have all of the answers.

Ishmael is abrams son and not of the nation that you know everything about.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member


The indigenous of the levant, are jewish, christian and muslim.................. even baha'i and gnostic.

Did you ever wonder how many muslims used to be jews?
Do you ever wonder how they converted? Under which conditions and circunstances?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Hamas barely won during Gazas last election 20 years (they won way more than they actually got like Trump and Republicans), and especially the very youthful average age of Gaza means the Palestinians of today are largely blameless in voting for Hamas. They didn't do it.
I'm sure I've pointed this out to this poster before, in great detail.
And yet, here we are refuting the same claim again.
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
So, Jews are not "indigenous" and have not suffered "oppression", and how can they be an "occupier"?

To me this appears to be a deflection given the excerpt form the post you quoted was asserting that Palestinian people are Indigenous and that they suffer under occupation.

Do you deny that Palestinians are Indigenous? or are you arguing that the occupied territories are not occupied?
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
As I have repeatedly posted, what was Israel to do after what happened on 10-7 and the continuing rocket assault coming out of Gaza?
I do not know, but insinuating that the sole answer is to sacrifice more IDF reservists as the Netanyahu regime kills more civilians while waging famine on the population as a whole seems more than strange.

Even if we pretend that the Palestinian dead and dying were not created b'tzelem 'elohim, we're left with a morbid calculus:
  • roughly 250 hostages taken,
  • roughly 132 hostages "still in the Gaza Strip, among whom 28 are presumed dead." [source]
  • roughly "501 IDF soldiers have been killed since the beginning of Operations Swords of Iron on October 7, Israeli media reported citing Israeli military numbers. [source]
How's that working?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
That's what they get for putting an organization like Hamas over them. Digging up water pipes to use the material to create weapons, digging tunnels under hospitals and schools in order to launch attacks, and stockpiling other weapons to do surprise attacks on the Israeli population has only created suffering for Palestinians. Maybe they should vote for a liberal in their next election.
The last election was in 2006. That was 17 years ago.
Hamas won 44% of the vote.
Nearly half of Gaza's current population (about 47.3%) are under the age of 18.
Which means that the majority of Palestinians living today did not vote for Hamas.



I doubt there's another election coming up any time soon.
Hamas doesn't care a whit for the Palestinian people. They've said as much out loud.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
To me this appears to be a deflection given the excerpt form the post you quoted was asserting that Palestinian people are Indigenous and that they suffer under occupation.

Do you deny that Palestinians are Indigenous?
I never stated that Palestinians weren't indigenous to the region.
or are you arguing that the occupied territories are not occupied?

They are occupied by nationalities, like Palestinians and Jews, that are indeed indigenous to that area.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I do not know, but insinuating that the sole answer is to sacrifice more IDF reservists as the Netanyahu regime kills more civilians while waging famine on the population as a whole seems more than strange.

Even if we pretend that the Palestinian dead and dying were not created b'tzelem 'elohim, we're left with a morbid calculus:
  • roughly 250 hostages taken,
  • roughly 132 hostages "still in the Gaza Strip, among whom 28 are presumed dead." [source]
  • roughly "501 IDF soldiers have been killed since the beginning of Operations Swords of Iron on October 7, Israeli media reported citing Israeli military numbers. [source]
How's that working?
We won't know for sure until it's over. Either way it's a cluster muck. Realistically, I do not believe that Israel had much of a choice because all the alternatives are even worse yet. What I do know, based on history, is that if Hamas is not eradicated, this muck will repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, ...

BTW, I am VERY far from being a Netanyahu or Likud fan, just for the record.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The last election was in 2006. That was 17 years ago.
Hamas won 44% of the vote.
Nearly half of Gaza's current population (about 47.3%) are under the age of 18.
Which means that the majority of Palestinians living today did not vote for Hamas.



I doubt there's another election coming up any time soon.
Hamas doesn't care a whit for the Palestinian people. They've said as much out loud.
So, what would you suggest?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
So, what would you suggest?
No freaking idea. I wish I knew.

I just don't believe that Hamas is representative of the Palestinian people and we need to stop pretending as though they are. We need to stop pretending as though we're talking about two world powers that are on fighting a war on the same footing. Hamas doesn't care at all for the safety and lives of the Palestinian people. They're happy to see them killed.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No freaking idea. I wish I knew.

I just don't believe that Hamas is representative of the Palestinian people and we need to stop pretending as though they are. We need to stop pretending as though we're talking about two world powers that are on fighting a war on the same footing. Hamas doesn't care at all for the safety and lives of the Palestinian people. They're happy to see them killed.
Then Hamas must be removed, and to not do so is no solution.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
He serves as a bellwether. I'm trying to determine whether your attitude towards the Netanyahu regime reflects a reactionary political orientation or an ignorance when it comes to Israel's political landscape and history.
My attitude concerning Netanyahu is irrelevant because whether it’s him or someone else doing what he’s doing to stand for and protect Israel at this point, I would feel the same. I don’t claim to know all the details of Israel’s politics or history, but am aware of some important historical realities.


“Who lived in the newly designated Palestine and were thus known as "Palestinians"? Jews, of course. Chase them out and they return to the land God gave to their forebears. At that time, Arabs hadn't even dreamed that "Palestine" was their land. That ambition would not take hold for another five hundred years until the advent of Islam—and even then Arabs would not call themselves Palestinians.

In World War II, Britain had a volunteer brigade known as "The Palestinian Brigade." It was made up entirely of Jews. The Arabs were fighting on Hitler's side. (Hitler had promised, in addition to the destruction of Israel, freedom and self-rule to all the Arab states in return for their assistance. One entire SS division was made up of Bosnian Muslims.)

There was the Palestinan Symphony Orchestra, a Jewish orchestra, and the "Palestinian Post," a Jewish newspaper. As late as the 1950s, Arabs refused to be called Palestinians and declared that if there were such people, they were Jews!

To the British Peel Commission in 1937, a local Arab leader testified, "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented...." Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, testified to an Anglo-American Committee of inquiry in 1946, "There is no such thing as Palestine in history—absolutely not!" (cited in Eliyahu Tal, "Whose Jerusalem?" 1994, p.93). To the UN Security Council on May 31, 1956, Ahmed Shukairy declared, "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Eight years later, in 1964, Shukairy became the founding chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization and coined the infamous slogan, "[W]e'll drive the Jews into the sea." And he wasn't even a "Palestinian"! Like Arafat, he was born in Cairo. The PLO was not founded by Palestinians but has been used to exploit these abused people in Islam's war against Israel.”




And then Hamas…
 
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