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Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Sorry, I am not buying that. Not without a lot of quality evidence.
Lots of evidence? Mankind choosing which church that they attend. Catholic, protestant, kings church of england or even the Orthodox church of the Eastern block..

That's a few billion to use as evidence. The conscious choice of the conscious minds of the world.

Forcing a religion, used to work, but in the modern age, people choose, even if considered illegal to their own families.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Lots of evidence? Mankind choosing which church that they attend. Catholic, protestant, kings church of england or even the Orthodox church of the Eastern block..

That's a few billion to use as evidence. The conscious choice of the conscious minds of the world.

Forcing a religion, used to work, but in the modern age, people choose, even if considered illegal to their own families.
You're not well acquaintanced with Islam, clearly.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
You're not well acquaintanced with Islam, clearly.
OK imam, explain what you are going to correct me on.

Do you not like the idea that conscious life can think for themselves?

Are you suggesting that people cannot make a choice?


Or is this about media reports suggesting that any convert from islame to another religion is a death penalty?

Did you notice, My example was jews converting to islam, as I know that they can choose with or without your approval.

As for Jews converting to christianity that has been ongoing since the inception of Christianity.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
I trust that people are capable of empathy.

Only a hardened soul with low self esteem could defend what israel is doing.

They are fading away even on the forum.
And only a deceptive person would continue to defend Hamas atrocities by continuing to deflect attention away from them, and continuing to blame their victims.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
And only a deceptive person would continue to defend Hamas atrocities by continuing to deflect attention away from them, and continuing to blame their victims.
The deceptive person, claims that a person against what israel is doing is defending HAMAS.

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Are them guys HAMAS supporters too?
2,048 × 1,164


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Them too?

10/7 is not the reason israel is called an apartheid oppressing millions.

10/7 was an atrocity and israel cannot justify genocide for that day
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
From the Times of Israel:

During a combative press conference Thursday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the prospect of Palestinian statehood after the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, and vowed to resist the United States on the matter.​
He also denied blindsiding his defense minister over a deal to send medicines into Gaza for Israeli hostages, accused Israeli media of spreading pessimism about the progress of the war, and said Hamas and Iran were hoping to see his government fall and elections held mid-war.​
On the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, Netanyahu was speaking after a report on Wednesday that the Biden administration is looking past the premier to advance a two-state solution, and hours after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel cannot achieve “genuine security” without a pathway to a Palestinian state.​

The U.S. and the Israeli people must stop this man.
I can understand why...

 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
You simply are making stuff up as you go along, such as with the above, thus I'm not going to waste any more of my time.

You conflated Jew with the Nation of Israel .. I corrected this error .. no need to waste any more time on the issue.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about: "Jew" is a nationality; "Judaism" is a religion.

No .. Jew is not a nationality .. Israeli is a nationality ..
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
3 people? Is that the biggest crowd you could find?
Nah, a huge portion of jews here in the west and USA are against israel.

but the fringe groups condemn them so they get very little air time.

Did you ever look:

Activists from Jewish Voice for Peace group unfurl banners reading 'Palestinians should be free' at the base of New York landmark. Hundreds of US Jewish activists have peacefully occupied New York's Statue of Liberty to demand an end to Israel's “genocidal bombardment” of civilians in Gaza and a ceasefire.Nov 7, 2023

That 1 month after 10/7.

200 held as Jewish group shuts NYC's Grand Central calling for Gaza  ceasefire | The Times of Israel




Orthodox NYC Jews protest proposed Israeli draft


Is it possible that you never met a Jew to discuss the topic?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
More accurately, that was not "Palestinians," it was Hamas, a much smaller group made up of rabid Palestinians. I do not take all Palestinians to be of the same sort.
I’m sure there are exceptions, nevertheless I think it’s more than just Hamas…


“A large majority of Palestinians support terrorism and the murder of Jews, a fact repeatedly proven through surveys. After the murder of Jewish brothers Hallel and Yagel Yaniv in Huwara this year, a survey by the Palestinian Center for Research on Policy and Investigations (PCPSR) showed that 71% of Palestinians said they supported the murders. Another poll from PCPSR shows that, by a margin of 58 percent to 20 percent, Palestinians would prefer a renewal of the intifada. ”From the river to the sea” is not a Hamas slogan. It is a Palestinian slogan. These are the “innocent” Palestinians we constantly hear about in the media!

But if numbers don’t move you, consider the following: Since October 7, Israeli authorities have detained and interrogated over 4,000 Gazan Arabs who had work visas in Israel and worked in the communities where Hamas terrorists committed their inhuman atrocities. These “average Palestinians” are the people who provided the necessary intelligence to Hamas. There are reports of former workers mapping out the communities that they raided, identifying homes of security personnel, which families had dogs, and even how many children lived in each home.

The Washington Free Beacon reported on the mob of ordinary Palestinians who spontaneously joined in the murder, rape, and kidnapping of innocent Jews on October 7. Thousands of Gazan civilians rushed into Israeli towns to assist Hamas, decapitating Jewish children and raping Jewish women. This is a fact, confirmed by IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus.

Gadi Yarkoni, who was elected mayor of the Eshkol Regional Council under the center-left Blue and White party, lost his legs in a mortar attack during the 2014 Gaza war. His idealism has been shattered: “The second wave of Arabs who came into the country were just as cruel as the terrorists of the first wave. We saw that it was not only Hamas who came to slaughter us. It was all the residents of Gaza, including people who worked in our kibbutzim.”

 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I don’t know why people cannot understand the reality of the situation… maybe I do understand why they refuse to, though.

I understand the pro Israeli camp do not consider Palestinians to be human and worthy of life like Jewish mass murderers are
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Nah, a huge portion of jews here in the west and USA are against israel.

but the fringe groups condemn them so they get very little air time.

Did you ever look:

Activists from Jewish Voice for Peace group unfurl banners reading 'Palestinians should be free' at the base of New York landmark. Hundreds of US Jewish activists have peacefully occupied New York's Statue of Liberty to demand an end to Israel's “genocidal bombardment” of civilians in Gaza and a ceasefire.Nov 7, 2023

That 1 month after 10/7.

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Is it possible that you never met a Jew to discuss the topic?
It’s too bad that many Jews, especially those far away from the situation here in the US, are not willing to face reality.

“To consider the alternative – that the people themselves are guilty – is both terrifying and difficult for good Jews to absorb. Jews are raised to be kind and merciful; it’s hard for us to believe that average Palestinian mothers and fathers raise their children to hate and murder Jews, simply because they are Jews. We are accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves. And so Daniel has convinced himself of a comforting narrative, that most Palestinians are innocent.

But this is not a time for wishful thinking. Our very lives depend on seeing the world clearly and looking evil in the eye. When you live in Judea as I do, surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arabs, this is no exaggeration. And these days, as mass crowds of Palestinians and their supporters call for Jewish genocide all over America, delusional perspectives like Daniel’s are putting the lives of American Jews at risk as well.”

 

InChrist

Free4ever
I understand the pro Israeli camp do not consider Palestinians to be human and worthy of life like Jewish mass murderers are
I think you are wrong. There is no doubt that the Palestinians are human, worthy of a life that is free of the hatred they’ve been indoctrinated in to hate Jews and freedom from the abuse and oppression they’ve lived under for so long being used by their religious and political leaders as pawns against the nation of Israel. I pray for their true and lasting freedom.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
It’s too bad that many Jews, especially those far away from the situation here in the US, are not willing to face reality.
Are you anti-semitic?
“To consider the alternative – that the people themselves are guilty – is both terrifying and difficult for good Jews to absorb.
jesus was claimed to be a jew.
Jews are raised to be kind and merciful; it’s hard for us to believe that average Palestinian mothers and fathers raise their children to hate and murder Jews,
Nice speculation. No evidence. That is known as false witness.
simply because they are Jews.
That's the damage that israel created.

We are accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves. And so Daniel has convinced himself of a comforting narrative, that most Palestinians are innocent.
What does Daniel have to do with NOW?
But this is not a time for wishful thinking. Our very lives depend on seeing the world clearly and looking evil in the eye.
Evil is claiming proprietary.
When you live in Judea as I do, surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arabs, this is no exaggeration.
So hate was trained into your heart?
And these days, as mass crowds of Palestinians and their supporters call for Jewish genocide all over America, delusional perspectives like Daniel’s are putting the lives of American Jews at risk as well.”
Jews are not going anywhere. Israel does not represent Jews. That's a fact, that I love!
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
It’s too bad that many Jews, especially those far away from the situation here in the US, are not willing to face reality.

“To consider the alternative – that the people themselves are guilty – is both terrifying and difficult for good Jews to absorb. Jews are raised to be kind and merciful; it’s hard for us to believe that average Palestinian mothers and fathers raise their children to hate and murder Jews, simply because they are Jews. We are accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves. And so Daniel has convinced himself of a comforting narrative, that most Palestinians are innocent.

But this is not a time for wishful thinking. Our very lives depend on seeing the world clearly and looking evil in the eye. When you live in Judea as I do, surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arabs, this is no exaggeration. And these days, as mass crowds of Palestinians and their supporters call for Jewish genocide all over America, delusional perspectives like Daniel’s are putting the lives of American Jews at risk as well.”

You can use this exact same logic to justify mass-slaughtering Israeli citizens, too. Or citizens of any nation, state or city.

To call the notion of innocent Palestinians a "comforting narrative" is just literal pro-genocide rhetoric. The idea that you can or should collectively punish millions of people for the crimes of a few (or, for happening to believe things you disagree with - and, yes, this includes approving of genocide) is abhorrent, and the writer of this article should be ashamed. The fact that they cannot see the irony in advancing a fundamentally pro-genocide position with the justification "well, they're calling for genocide" proves the mental loops he is willing to jump through.

When Palestinians call for genocide, that means we can kill them en masse ("for OUR OWN protection!"). When we both call for - and actually ENACT - genocide, that's just "justice". Genocide for me, but not for thee.

People like this are an active detriment to world peace and humanity.
 
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