Israel-Gaza : The bitter harvest of hate

[libre]

I haven't seen anyone doing that.

I wasn't suggesting anyone in this thread had. I was contextualizing my original post about Palestinian social media that Revoltingest was responding to.

 

[libre]

They are indeed civilians.
But they also use government provided weapons
to boot Palestinians from their land. So "civilian"
is inadequate to the task of describing them.

The issue lies in that there are many definitions of what constitutes a settler.
Those who would suggest that people such as the survivor mentioned in the OP are settlers are obfuscating the situation.

The issue with the slogan isn't so much how it formally appears but the wider context. Most victims of Oct 7th were not part of the illegal settlements (FTR, I'm not aware of any who were), and not armed with weapons, yet some argue they were not civilians because they were residents of settlements established 75 years ago. This is in my view is a double-standard because people would never argue this if Canadian civilians in BC or Northwest territories were attacked.

 

[Revoltingest]

The issue lies in that there are many definitions of what constitutes a settler.
Those who would suggest that people such as the survivor mentioned in the OP are settlers are obfuscating the situation.

The issue with the slogan isn't so much how it formally appears but the wider context. Most victims of Oct 7th were not part of the illegal settlements (FTR, I'm not aware of any who were), and not armed with weapons, yet some argue they were not civilians because they were residents of settlements established 75 years ago. This is in my view is a double-standard because people would never argue this if Canadian civilians in BC or Northwest territories were attacked.

I've nothing to add.

 

[Lyndon]

I also disagree with using the word 'genocide' to refer to this invasion. There is no hint that Israel seeks to kill all gazans.

you don't know the definition of genocide, do you??

 

[Lyndon]

the settlers are an invading force so to call them civilians is a bit of a stretch

 

[Lyndon]

I support the bombing of Palestinian civilians. So I guess that includes me. I want this to continue indefinitely.

despicable

 

[Colt]

The issue lies in that there are many definitions of what constitutes a settler.
Those who would suggest that people such as the survivor mentioned in the OP are settlers are obfuscating the situation.

The issue with the slogan isn't so much how it formally appears but the wider context. Most victims of Oct 7th were not part of the illegal settlements (FTR, I'm not aware of any who were), and not armed with weapons, yet some argue they were not civilians because they were residents of settlements established 75 years ago. This is in my view is a double-standard because people would never argue this if Canadian civilians in BC or Northwest territories were attacked.

So called Palestinians (descendants of immigrants to the region from many nations in the Middle East) just don't like the Jews in the same way that Jewish people around the world have been stigmatized and persecuted for centuries! Settlements and occupation are just excuses used to mask an outright hatred and true desire for real genocide against the Jewish people.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=864077311859948

 

[Debater Slayer]

So called Palestinians (descendants of immigrants to the region from many nations in the Middle East) just don't like the Jews [...]

Instead of overgeneralizing about the people of an entire nationality, have you tried talking to more Palestinians and listening to what they have to say? Are you aware that many Palestinians don't remotely fit into the above description/accusation?

This is not the first time I have seen demonization of a large group of people, but it becomes more and more indefensible every time someone uses it to oversimplify decades-long struggles and reduce them to "X just hates Y." Tribalism hasn't led to peace before, and it won't lead to it now.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

She had time to consider her response.
Hateful vilification was deliberately & thoughtfully chosen.

Would you show such charity towards a Palestinian
victim who said there are "no innocent Jews"?

If we (the rest of the world) continue to insist on taking sides, this will never end. There are guilty and innocent on both sides. The question we need to ask ourselves is how can we help stop the killing -- on both sides?

(I object to Schem's statement that there are no innocents -- babies and little children are innocent. I can't imagine that she encounter every Palestinian in Gaza, and therefore her comment must reflect none other than her captors. But this is how it's done, isn't it? This is how propaganda works.)

 

[Revoltingest]

If we (the rest of the world) continue to insist on taking sides, this will never end. There are guilty and innocent on both sides. The question we need to ask ourselves is how can we help stop the killing -- on both sides?

I too see guilty & innocents on both sides, with Israel
being far more guilty...being the oppressor & greater
dealer of death & destruction.
But I prefer to focus upon problem & solution. This
means Israel's ending policies that inspire violent
resistance to its oppression of Palestinians & Muslims
in general.

(I object to Schem's statement that there are no innocents -- babies and little children are innocent. I can't imagine that she encounter every Palestinian in Gaza, and therefore her comment must reflect none other than her captors. But this is how it's done, isn't it? This is how propaganda works.)

True dat.
She is a vile human being.
Alas, she has much company.

 

[George Washington]

She is a vile human being.
Alas, she has much company.

She's a Saint in my eyes. I wish there was a go-fund-me for her, I'd drop $1000. right off the top.

 

[Revoltingest]

She's a Saint in my eyes.

I posted "company", not "cocompany".

 

[George Washington]

I posted "company", not "cocompany".

Oops, I accidentally typed within the quote and it went haywire. I'll fix that for you.

 

[libre]

True dat.
She is a vile human being.
Alas, she has much company.

You hold a remarkably high standard for someone who's been traumatized to such an extent. It is to be expected that this sort of situation would bring out all sorts of prejudices. Now is not the opportune moment to correct such, for her.

I don't think we have the right to judge her.

 

[Revoltingest]

You hold a remarkably high standard for someone who's been traumatized to such an extent.

I'd cut slack for such remarks made
sooner after the trauma, & without
time to consider things.

It is to be expected that this sort of situation would bring out all sorts of prejudices. Now is not the opportune moment to correct such, for her.

People aren't born vile.
But they can become so thru no fault
of their own due to life's vicissitudes.
Nonetheless, vile is as vile does.
She expresses a view that Israel's gov't
takes to heart, inspiring war crimes
against Palestinians.

I don't think we have the right to judge her.

I have the right to judge anyone.
But I also exercise judgement
about when to cut slack.

I wonder how she'd judge me?
Not well, I'd guess.

 

[George Washington]

She expresses a view that Israel's gov't
takes to heart, inspiring war crimes
against Palestinians.

Who cares? Look what the Palestinians have done to her. And when I say Palestinians, I mean anyone who supports from the river to the sea - they're all dangerous to civilized society.

 

[libre]

I'd cut slack for such remarks made
sooner after the trauma, & without
time to consider things.

She's been released for less time than she was captive, hardly the amount of time it would take her to any meaningful recovery.

Given that she's most definitely been coached on what to say to the media, I'd caution that we shouldn't pass any judgment on her, and instead the Times of Israel and other media outlets for irresponsibly elevating her view.

You could find lots of Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed who'd say awful things about Israelis, but it would be remarkably unempathetic to denounce any of them as despicable, given the circumstances.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who cares?

Those who will die in Israeli attacks.
Those who've lost family in Israeli attacks.

Look what the Palestinians have done to her.

She sees them all as worthy of extermination.
I've no sympathy for such violent bigots.

And when I say Palestinians, I mean anyone who supports from the river to the sea - they're all dangerous to civilized society.

This is a mischievous inference from a slogan.
They use it to justify censoring Palestinian advocates,
& to murder thousands upon thousands of civilians.

 

[George Washington]

She's been released for less time than she was captive, hardly the amount of time it would take her to any meaningful recovery.

Given that she's most definitely been coached on what to say to the media, I'd caution that we shouldn't pass any judgment on her, and instead the Times of Israel and other media outlets for irresponsibly elevating her view.

You could find lots of Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed who'd say awful things about Israelis, but it would be remarkably unempathetic to denounce any of them as despicable, given the circumstances.

That girl is more sensible than most people here on this forum. By far!

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Jewish people around the world have been stigmatized and persecuted for centuries!

Why, if true, is that the case?

Personally, I have nothing against Jews. On the contrary,
I admire them.

However, I despise those who deal in evil & oppression, whoever they may be.