Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[Revoltingest]

I can only assume by "gun grabbers" you mean "people who understand that guns are dangerous". T

Such poor reading skills.

Violent crimes against men might happen at overall rates similar to against women....

"Might"?
What a buffoon.

1) Learning self-defense is a whole lot different from carrying a gun. If I know karate, that doesn't generally put people around me at risk. A gun puts everyone in danger.

You'd bring amateur karate to a
gun or knife fight, eh. How stupid.

2) Your chances of being in a situation where your gun will be helpful are much less than a woman's chances of being in a situation where knowing self-defense techniques is helpful.

No evidence.
Typical liberal...faith in any claim
to deny gun ownership.

I see that your time away from RF
wasn't used on self improvemnet.

 

[Magic Man]

That much of your post isn't erroneous.

Nice! Just like the rest of it!

 

[SkepticThinker]

How is a forest vs say….. an empty public park at night any different?

Similar, but not as isolated.

What we're not talking about is interacting with men in populated public places like the mall, or something.

Post 142 was absurd because looking at the sheer numbers that show more people are attacked by men than bears does not take into account the number of ecounters women have with men vs bears. If 10 women had contact with bears, and 5 of them are killed, is she really safer around bears then men because out of a 1,000,000 encounters with men, more women get hurt, but at a vastly smaller percentage rate than with the bears?

Post #142 was this:

"There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. It's been morphed a bit now that it's been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear.

Almost without fail, posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more than a strange man. But here are the top 10 reasons women have given for choosing the bear over the man:

10. No one would question me about what I was wearing when the bear attacked me.
9. No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack
8. A bear's motives are easier to understand.
7. A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them.
6. I would not be forced to carry the bear's babies to term in 27 states.
5. The bear will either kill me or leave me alone; there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me.
4. Bears do not traffic women.
3. A bear's friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining is life.
2. No one will question if the bear attack really happened.
1. The bear sees me as a human being.

Here are a few others that are sad but true:

-If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions
-A bear would not film it and send it to his friends

Now let's talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are the reason we choose the bear. When this question was posed to women, 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. We cannot agree about hair colour, makeup or Taylor Swift, but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this.

We understand that the bear may kill us. We understand that there are fates worse than dying. A bear will simply kill or ignore us.

Statistically, women are safer with bears than men. In the last 4 years, seven women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you want to know the rape/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/raping women?

We are safer with a bear.

Sorry, not sorry."

Rapes and similar attacks don’t generally occur in the forest with a bunch of people watching either! What’s your point?

My point is that rapes generally occur in places where there aren't other people around. Rapists don't tend to attack people when there are a bunch of witnesses present.

You keep trying to make it about encountering men in public places to show we're irrational or something (?) so that you can dismiss and ignore our fears, when that's not what the scenario is about.

I have had many bad interactions with men in public places as well.
In the workplace. Just a couple of years ago I had a co-worker that kept trying to grab me and kiss me. When I told my boss about it, he said "Can I get some too?"
Walking down a public street I get men yelling things at me from their cars and catcalling me.
One time a guy had a very crowded bar grabbed my backside as though it belonged to him.
One time in a public outside concert as my boyfriend and I were trying to make our way through the crowd, a group of guys grabbed me and wouldn't let go. Several people had to help pry me away from them.
I could go on and on. And that's just the tame stuff.

If this is the kind of thing men are doing out in public, I don't even want to think about what they'd do if I were stuck with them alone in the woods.

" I've seen a brown bear in a public park once, and everybody was freaking out, women included. Women do not react with that kind of fear with men they do not know in public places."

 

[Magic Man]

Such poor reading skills.

Ah, yes, deflection, instead of honestly addressing what someone says. Classic.

"Might"?
What a buffoon.

Yes, might. And careful. This is supposed to be a place for respectful discussion. Insults like this hinder that.

You'd bring amateur karate to a
gun or knife fight, eh. How stupid.

What's stupid is this wildly ridiculous interpretation of what was said. And again, this is not the place for these insults. If you can't make a cogent argument, don't reply.

No evidence.
Typical liberal...faith in any claim
to deny gun ownership.

Where's your evidence that your gun will prove helpful? You're the one carrying it and claiming you're not paranoid.

Typical conservative. Always go straight to "deny gun ownership", despite the fact that I've said absolutely nothing about taking away or restricting guns. Talk about poor reading skills.

I see that your time away from RF
wasn't used on self improvemnet.

True. At least in this way, there was no self-improvement needed. I see that your time on RF wasn't used to improve your reading or reasoning skills.

 

[Kfox]

Similar, but not as isolated

Yes they can be

.Post #142 was this:

"There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. It's been morphed a bit now that it's been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear.

Almost without fail, posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more than a strange man.

I will bet if a woman saw a bear, and the man was wearing a ranger uniform, she would go running to the man for protection against the bear.

But here are the top 10 reasons women have given for choosing the bear over the man:

10. No one would question me about what I was wearing when the bear attacked me.

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

9. No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

8. A bear's motives are easier to understand.
7. A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them.

The bear would be too busy having you for dinner

6. I would not be forced to carry the bear's babies to term in 27 states.

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

4. Bears do not traffic women.

No; they kill women

3. A bear's friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining is life.

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

2. No one will question if the bear attack really happened.

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

1. The bear sees me as a human being.

A dead human being

Here are a few others that are sad but true:

-If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

-A bear would not film it and send it to his friends

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

Now let's talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are the reason we choose the bear. When this question was posed to women, 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. We cannot agree about hair colour, makeup or Taylor Swift, but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this.

If women were so afraid of men, they would create their own societies away from men.

We understand that the bear may kill us. We understand that there are fates worse than dying. A bear will simply kill or ignore us.

and 99.999% of the time, the man will not harm you at all

Statistically, women are safer with bears than men. In the last 4 years, seven women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you want to know the rape/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/raping women?

No; when you account for the amount of contact women have with men vs bears, men are safer

We are safer with a bear.

Sorry, not sorry."

My point is that rapes generally occur in places where there aren't other people around. Rapists don't tend to attack people when there are a bunch of witnesses present.

Who said anything about a bunch of people present? Why are you bringing that up?

You keep trying to make it about encountering men in public places to show we're irrational or something (?) so that you can dismiss and ignore our fears, when that's not what the scenario is about.

The forest and the woods are public places!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you not aware that trans women are biological males?

The fact that women choose to live in places where men live also, and choose not to live where bears live.

No; women do not have to interact with men on a daily basis, they choose to. There is nobody stopping them from going to some far away island, in the desert, or some place where no men live.

They still are not forced to live among men. this comes from the ridicules' feminist idea that all men are potential rapist IMO. It is complete foolishness

If she is a racial bigot, a black man and a white man can have the same actions towards her and she calls the black mans actions harassment, and the white mans actions welcomed conversation

In my scenario it is. Now are you gonna answer my question?

Yes they can be

I will bet if a woman saw a bear, and the man was wearing a ranger uniform, she would go running to the man for protection against the bear.

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

The bear would be too busy having you for dinner

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!


No; they kill women

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

A dead human being

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

Yeah' because you would be DEAD!!!

If women were so afraid of men, they would create their own societies away from men.

and 99.999% of the time, the man will not harm you at all

No; when you account for the amount of contact women have with men vs bears, men are safer

Who said anything about a bunch of people present? Why are you bringing that up?

The forest and the woods are public places!

I give up.
Your the reason we choose the bear.
Even a bear would be a better listener than this.

Yeah, women should go live on an island somewhere. Great solution! Thanks a bunch.

 

[Kfox]

I give up.

Yeah; quit trying to defend absurdity.

Your the reason we choose the bear.
Even a bear would be a better listener than this.

Just because I don't agree does not mean I did not listen

Yeah, women should go live on an island somewhere. Great solution! Thanks a bunch.

No; only those who fear men more than they fear wild bears should go live on an island somewhere, that way they don't have to be around men.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah; quit trying to defend absurdity.

Just because I don't agree does not mean I did not listen

No; only those who fear men more than they fear wild bears should go live on an island somewhere, that way they don't have to be around men.

I wonder to what extent some women are now treating
their fear of men, & preference for bears, as their real intent,
when originally it just feigning this preference to express
a lesser fear & loathing of men? Now they're caught up
in defending the extreme....because in an argument, it's
very difficult to back off on a claim.

 

[Kfox]

I have had many bad interactions with men in public places as well.
In the workplace. Just a couple of years ago I had a co-worker that kept trying to grab me and kiss me. When I told my boss about it, he said "Can I get some too?"
Walking down a public street I get men yelling things at me from their cars and catcalling me.
One time a guy had a very crowded bar grabbed my backside as though it belonged to him.
One time in a public outside concert as my boyfriend and I were trying to make our way through the crowd, a group of guys grabbed me and wouldn't let go. Several people had to help pry me away from them.
I could go on and on. And that's just the tame stuff.

If this is the kind of thing men are doing out in public, I don't even want to think about what they'd do if I were stuck with them alone in the woods.

Do you feel justified to judge all men as being that way?

 

[Estro Felino]

Cool, now all you have to do is support that with any kind of evidence. I'm sure you'll be along shortly to do just that.

Okay...just watch this video.
I am afraid that in the United States that gorgeous guy would have been probably called a creep.

 

[Magic Man]

Okay...just watch this video.
I am afraid that in the United States that gorgeous guy would have been probably called a creep.

That's not evidence. From what I can tell, it's a video of a guy trying to pick up women in Italy. Your claim was:

"I believe American men are not into women who consider them potential rapists.
That's why they are leaving...moving overseas, choosing European women..."

Evidence would be some kind of source showing that American men are leaving America to choose European women, because they're not into woman who consider them potential rapists. Not one guy, not even a few guys. You'd have to show a trend, like hundreds or thousands of guys. And you'd have to show that they're doing it because "they're not into women who consider them potential rapists", not just because they want to live in Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's not evidence. From what I can tell, it's a video of a guy trying to pick up women in Italy. Your claim was:

"I believe American men are not into women who consider them potential rapists.
That's why they are leaving...moving overseas, choosing European women..."

Evidence would be some kind of source showing that American men are leaving America to choose European women, because they're not into woman who consider them potential rapists. Not one guy, not even a few guys. You'd have to show a trend, like hundreds or thousands of guys. And you'd have to show that they're doing it because "they're not into women who consider them potential rapists", not just because they want to live in Europe.

That video clearly shows that European women and I mean continental Europe don't act like American women.
Who have been inculcated that ideology.

 

[Magic Man]

That video clearly shows that European women and I mean continental Europe don't act like American women.
Who have been inculcated that ideology.

It does not show that. That also isn't relevant. You claimed American men are moving to Europe because they don't want women who think they are potential rapists. First, you'd have to provide a lot more than a video of a guy trying to pick up a few women to show a difference in attitude between American and European women. Second, that still wouldn't show that there is a trend of American men moving to Europe. Third, it doesn't show that those American men are moving to Europe specifically for the women who don't think of them as potential rapists.

 

[Estro Felino]

It does not show that. That also isn't relevant. You claimed American men are moving to Europe because they don't want women who think they are potential rapists. First, you'd have to provide a lot more than a video of a guy trying to pick up a few women to show a difference in attitude between American and European women. Second, that still wouldn't show that there is a trend of American men moving to Europe. Third, it doesn't show that those American men are moving to Europe specifically for the women who don't think of them as potential rapists.

Okay. I was wrong.
Are you happy now?
Now...could you comment that video posted about the Slovak guy hitting on Italian girls?

 

[Stevicus]

That video clearly shows that European women and I mean continental Europe don't act like American women.
Who have been inculcated that ideology.

I guess it would depend on which ideology we're talking about. If it's feminism, that's one thing, although in showing the differences in sexual mores from society to society, America has tended to be more puritanical and prudish than European society (at least on the surface, as we've discussed before).

One can compare feminism as it was expressed prior to the Reagan era, and it's quite a bit different. Perhaps the influence of the Moral Majority and the ultra-consumerist, reckless capitalism of that era may have pushed feminism in a certain direction.

 

[Magic Man]

Okay. I was wrong.
Are you happy now?

Only if you're genuine with this.

Now...could you comment that video posted about the Slovak guy hitting on Italian girls?

What about it?

 

[Estro Felino]

I guess it would depend on which ideology we're talking about. If it's feminism, that's one thing, although in showing the differences in sexual mores from society to society, America has tended to be more puritanical and prudish than European society (at least on the surface, as we've discussed before).

The mainstream ideology that means to convince women that all men are potential rapists...
It does exist.
It tends to portray all men as rapists...and it is politicized, given what we are witnessing with the discourse about Trump .
On the contrary, the latest trial clearly shows that a billionaire can buy anything and anyone, he doesn't need to force women to do anything.

One can compare feminism as it was expressed prior to the Reagan era, and it's quite a bit different. Perhaps the influence of the Moral Majority and the ultra-consumerist, reckless capitalism of that era may have pushed feminism in a certain direction.

Not quite. I think it is due to the masculinization of American women. Not all of them, but a significant percentage.
Because one can be economically independent and preserve her own femininity.
You don't need to become as masculine as Mike Tyson to emulate men.

 

[Estro Felino]

What about it?

Is he inappropriate? Is he behaving properly?

 

[Magic Man]

Is he inappropriate? Is he behaving properly?

Don't know. Is this relevant to something? Is there a point to it?

 

[Magic Man]

The mainstream ideology that means to convince women that all men are potential rapists...
It does exist.

It does not exist. I mean, technically all men are potential rapists. So are all women. But no, this isn't a thing.

It tends to portray all men as rapists...and it is politicized, given what we are witnessing with the discourse about Trump .

No non-fringe group portrays all men as rapists. I'm not sure what the discourse about Trump has to do with this.

On the contrary, the latest trial clearly shows that a billionaire can buy anything and anyone, he doesn't need to force women to do anything.

It does not show that he can buy anything and anyone. He does sometimes need to force women to do something.

Not quite. I think it is due to the masculinization of American women. Not all of them, but a significant percentage.
Because one can be economically independent and preserve her own femininity.
You don't need to become as masculine as Mike Tyson to emulate men.

Yet again, I'm assuming there will be evidence to support this claim of "masculinization of American women". Right?