Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[Stevicus]

The mainstream ideology that means to convince women that all men are potential rapists...
It does exist.
It tends to portray all men as rapists...and it is politicized, given what we are witnessing with the discourse about Trump .
On the contrary, the latest trial clearly shows that a billionaire can buy anything and anyone, he doesn't need to force women to do anything.

When it comes to public discourse and media discussion about various topics, it tends to run up and down the spectrum. Even if it's not overtly political, there is still a tendency towards what many refer to as "political correctness." But not always.

I suppose one can say that "all men are potential rapists" in the same sense that "all humans are potential murderers." At least, such a thing is within the realm of possibility - but that's not really saying much at all. It just means that anything is possible and that one should always be on guard and expect the unexpected. Good advice in general, but one doesn't need to go overboard and view their fellow human beings as potential enemies.

Not quite. I think it is due to the masculinization of American women. Not all of them, but a significant percentage.
Because one can be economically independent and preserve her own femininity.
You don't need to become as masculine as Mike Tyson to emulate men.

I think the societal ideal is that everyone gets to make their own choices and live as they choose to live. Despite whatever tomfoolery goes on in the courts, there are still some people who make an honest effort at supporting the principle of "equal rights before the law." Beyond that, it's simply a matter of what people think and feel, which tends to go beyond ideological concerns. I suppose it can be complicated when it comes to personal relationships between men and women. I don't think anyone wants to marry an ideology (unless they're really political and ideologically motivated).

 

[Estro Felino]

When it comes to public discourse and media discussion about various topics, it tends to run up and down the spectrum. Even if it's not overtly political, there is still a tendency towards what many refer to as "political correctness." But not always.

I suppose one can say that "all men are potential rapists" in the same sense that "all humans are potential murderers." At least, such a thing is within the realm of possibility - but that's not really saying much at all. It just means that anything is possible and that one should always be on guard and expect the unexpected.

Not all people are potential murderers. There are people who, because of endocrinological or neurological factors are incredibly predisposed to violence. And there are people who because of the same factors are biologically incapable of harming other people.

Same as for rape: there are also gay people who, because of the same factors, repel women and their body, so they would never be capable of doing something like that.

 

[crossfire]

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Not quite. I think it is due to the masculinization of American women. Not all of them, but a significant percentage.
Because one can be economically independent and preserve her own femininity.
You don't need to become as masculine as Mike Tyson to emulate men.

What exactly do you mean by the masculinization of American women? Are American women animus possessed in the Jungian sense? Do you mean American women are lazy in regards to putting on a feminine persona?

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Not quite. I think it is due to the masculinization of American women. Not all of them, but a significant percentage.
Because one can be economically independent and preserve her own femininity.

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[Estro Felino]

What exactly do you mean by the masculinization of American women? Are American women animus possessed in the Jungian sense? Do you mean American women are lazy in regards to putting on a feminine persona?

If we are supposed to speak in Jungian terms, let's say that there are many more Liliths than there are Eves, in the US.

 

[crossfire]

If we are supposed to speak in Jungian terms, let's say that there are many more Liliths than there are Eves, in the US.

Why would anyone want to be either Lilith or Eve? Lilith is a seducer who refused patriarchy and Eve accepted patriarchy because she was considered unvirtuous and couldn't be trusted. Both are patriarchal constructs.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why would anyone want to be either Lilith or Eve? Lilith is a seducer who refused patriarchy and Eve accepted patriarchy because she was considered unvirtuous and couldn't be trusted. Both are patriarchal constructs.

We are speaking of Jungian psychology.
It has nothing to do with patriarchy.
There are women who prefer to be sweet and kind to their husbands and women who prefer to command, to subdue their husbands.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

We are speaking of Jungian psychology.
It has nothing to do with patriarchy.
There are women who prefer to be sweet and kind to their husbands and women who prefer to command, to subdue their husbands.

I’m shocked, just shocked, that anybody would make mention of patriarchy here in this thread, of all places!

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[crossfire]

We are speaking of Jungian psychology.
It has nothing to do with patriarchy.
There are women who prefer to be sweet and kind to their husbands and women who prefer to command, to subdue their husbands.

So masculinization of women is women who prefer to command and subdue their husbands?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

One thing that comes to mind while reading this thread is that, very often, men can be wary of other men as well. Men are not a singular collective entity or all part of the same boys' club. A smaller man might have similar misgivings about larger men, similar to what women might have. All men also have memories of being small children and having to stay out of the way of the bigger boys and even the bigger girls and adult women. That's what many learn early in life and may condition them to violence as they grow into adults.

I recall one time I was with my mom. I was around 7 or 8, kind of small and skinny. (I didn't start to sprout until my teens, when I grew to be 6'4", stronger than average, and with reasonable fighting skill. Not Chuck Norris, but I probably could have made short work out of Johnny Lawrence of the Cobra Kai.) However, when I was a little kid and walking with my mom, who was in her mid thirties at the time and attractive to males, there were two young men in a parking lot ogling her, catcalling, and stalking us. My mom acted as if she didn't even see or hear them, perhaps as her way of dealing with the situation. I was somewhat fearful and kept looking back. They stopped pursuing at some point, and my mom and I safely entered the store we were going to. But I was worried. I knew that I could not protect her from two larger men, and she could not protect me either. We were in a vulnerable, scary situation. I realized that I needed to be bigger, stronger, faster, and tougher to be less vulnerable.

It's a fair point.
I've been in a bunch of situations where I was worried about physical violence, and it was without exception at the hands of other males.

For the most part I'm exceptionally good at de-escalation. I was also a good athlete when younger which would give me a reasonable chance to run if faced with a situation I couldn't handle.

My wife (when younger) would attract male attention and comments. She could generally shrug these off and I generally managed to as well, by reminding myself that protecting her was better served by the same sort of de-escalation I'd use for myself than letting my ego demand I start a fight where there was no physical danger

But...both my wife and my sister in law have tempers, and sometimes throw harsh insults at people who are being arses (male or female). To me, that was always the most dangerous situation.

They'd say them with a level of security, but I'd immediately be put in a position where de-escalation become tricky (or even pointless if they were still being loud) and there was no option to run or even easily walk away.

I'm not suggesting this was their fault, per se, just merely agreeing that fear of physical violence can also impact men, and it is usually due to other men.

 

[Sirona]

I don't speak Italian. I haven't read studies about sexual harassment.

But a random google search gave me this: Nearly 1 in 2 Italian teenagers has been sexually harassed, poll finds

And I guess that some posters here trying to deny the reality of sexual harassment are either men posing as women to try and push an anti-feminist agenda or people who have been harassed so much that they have to delude themselves into thinking that sexual harassment was a compliment or a positive thing happening to them.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't speak Italian. I haven't read studies about sexual harassment.

But a random google search gave me this: Nearly 1 in 2 Italian teenagers has been sexually harassed, poll finds

Very unreliable survey.
Last week my female friends were complaining that all men have become gay, so finding a straight and aesthetically passable man in Rome is like finding a treasure.

And I guess that some posters here trying to deny the reality of sexual harassment are either men posing as women to try and push an anti-feminist agenda or people who have been harassed so much that they have to delude themselves into thinking that sexual harassment was a compliment or a positive thing happening to them.

I am just quoting an Italian writer. A woman.
A heterosexual woman to be precise.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Very unreliable survey.
Last week my female friends were complaining that all men have become gay, so finding a straight and aesthetically passable man in Rome is like finding a treasure.

Sure...women say stuff like that all the time. 'All the good ones are taken' or whatever. But that doesn't mean those same women haven't suffered from harassment. It also doesn't mean they were being literally descriptive. And it doesn't make them more reliable than a survey you casually dismiss as it doesn't fit and anecdotal narrative.

I am just quoting an Italian writer. A woman.
A heterosexual woman to be precise.

A heterosexual Italian woman said it? Okay...case closed then I guess.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

So masculinization of women is women who prefer to command and subdue their husbands?

The phrase "uppity women" comes to mind, here.

But, from a historical point of view, being "uppity" is not the same thing as "machismo", which has more to do with men commanding and subduing women, which is at the very foundation of the 500 year old history of western culture here in America.

Not to mention the fact that we got children at this show. (There's not nearly enough encanto puns being made on the internet.)

Like the sign says, "Careful, machismo kills."

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I'm the strong one, I'm not nervous
I'm as tough as the crust of the Earth is
I move mountains, I move churches
And I glow, 'cause I know what my worth is
I don't ask how hard the work is
Got a rough indestructible surface
Diamonds and platinum, I find 'em, I flatten 'em
I take what I'm handed, I break what's demanded

But under the surface, I feel berserk as a tightrope walker in a three-ring circus
Under the surface, was Hercules ever like, "Yo, I don't wanna fight Cerberus?"
Under the surface, I'm pretty sure I'm worthless if I can't be of service
A flaw or a crack, the straw in the stack
That breaks the camel's back, what breaks the camel's back?

It's pressure like a drip, drip, drip that'll never stop, whoa
Pressure that'll tip, tip, tip 'til you just go pop, whoa, oh, oh
Give it to your sister, your sister's older
Give her all the heavy things we can't shoulder
Who am I if I can't run with the ball?
If I fall to

Pressure like a grip, grip, grip, and it won't let go, whoa
Pressure like a tick, tick, tick 'til it's ready to blow, whoa, oh, oh
Give it to your sister, your sister's stronger
See if she can hang on a little longer
Who am I if I can't carry it all?
If I falter

Under the surface, I hide my nerves and it worsens, I worry something is gonna hurt us
Under the surface, the ship doesn't swerve as it heard how big the iceberg is
Under the surface, I think about my purpose, can I somehow preserve this?
Line up the dominoes, a light wind blows
You try to stop it tumbling, but on and on, it goes

But wait, if I could shake the crushing weight of expectations
Would that free some room up for joy or relaxation, or simple pleasure?
Instead, we measure this growing pressure
Keeps growing, keep going
'Cause all we know is

Pressure like a drip, drip, drip that'll never stop, whoa
Pressure that'll tip, tip, tip 'til you just go pop, whoa, oh, oh
Give it to your sister, it doesn't hurt, and
See if she can handle every family burden
Watch as she buckles and bends but never breaks, no mistakes

Just pressure like a grip, grip, grip, and it won't let go, whoa
Pressure like a tick, tick, tick 'til it's ready to blow, whoa, oh, oh
Give it to your sister and never wonder
If the same pressure would've pulled you under
Who am I if I don't have what it takes?
No cracks, no breaks
No mistakes, no pressure

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Very unreliable survey.
Last week my female friends were complaining that all men have become gay, so finding a straight and aesthetically passable man in Rome is like finding a treasure.

I am just quoting an Italian writer. A woman.
A heterosexual woman to be precise.

Just because somebody is a Woman, does not make her an expert in any topic she chooses to opine on.

Here's a Woman giving a history lesson from the point of view of western culture.

Note her biggest takeaway: "The stark reality is that our lives had very little value to our ancestors."

Had she consulted any experts in the subject, they would have told her differently. But the whole point of this entire video is to push this lie.

This is not science.

I call this "Scientism".

Scientism uses the veneer of science to denigrate our ancestors, on whose shoulders we all stand.

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[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

It's a fair point.
I've been in a bunch of situations where I was worried about physical violence, and it was without exception at the hands of other males.

For the most part I'm exceptionally good at de-escalation. I was also a good athlete when younger which would give me a reasonable chance to run if faced with a situation I couldn't handle.

My wife (when younger) would attract male attention and comments. She could generally shrug these off and I generally managed to as well, by reminding myself that protecting her was better served by the same sort of de-escalation I'd use for myself than letting my ego demand I start a fight where there was no physical danger

But...both my wife and my sister in law have tempers, and sometimes throw harsh insults at people who are being arses (male or female). To me, that was always the most dangerous situation.

They'd say them with a level of security, but I'd immediately be put in a position where de-escalation become tricky (or even pointless if they were still being loud) and there was no option to run or even easily walk away.

I'm not suggesting this was their fault, per se, just merely agreeing that fear of physical violence can also impact men, and it is usually due to other men.

Women are afraid of men for much the same reasons man are afraid of men, as this fictional scene about the patriarchy illustrates.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah; quit trying to defend absurdity.

Just because I don't agree does not mean I did not listen

It was your lack of response to my points made, that indicated you aren't listening. And don't care to.
So have a nice day.

No; only those who fear men more than they fear wild bears should go live on an island somewhere, that way they don't have to be around men.

It's amazing how many times you've missed the point of the exercise.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you feel justified to judge all men as being that way?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you feel justified to judge all men as being that way?

Mistaken inference in loaded question.

 

[Revoltingest]

So masculinization of women is women who prefer to command and subdue their husbands?

That's not "masculinization".
That's just how it is.
Women have long been traditionally in charge of us.
As a wise man once said...
"If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
So I & others belong to the Pa Taitai (literally "Fear Wife") club.
We base successful marriages on knowing when to do as we're
told, to know when to shut the **** up, & to apologize.

I think our Italian friend has no understanding at all
how things are with Ameristanian men & women.
Perhaps it's based upon news doomscrolling or movies?
I say that our lot in life has improved over my lifetime.