Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[SkepticThinker]

That's not "masculinization".
That's just how it is.
Women have long been traditionally in charge of us.
As a wise man once said...
"If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
So I & others belong to the Pa Taitai (literally "Fear Wife") club.
We base successful marriages on knowing when to do as we're
told, to know when to shut the **** up, & to apologize.

I think our Italian friend has no understanding at all
how things are with Ameristanian men & women.
Perhaps it's based upon news doomscrolling or movies?
I say that our lot in life has improved over my lifetime.

"Happy Wife, Happy Life" is a sign that my brother-in-law has hanging up in his "man cave" (aka, the garage).

 

[Kfox]

It was your lack of response to my points made, that indicated you aren't listening. And don't care to.
So have a nice day.

I addressed the question! The question was what evidence do I have that women avoid contact with bears. I provided logic and reason that they avoid bears in a way they do not avoid men.

It's amazing how many times you've missed the point of the exercise.

I didn't miss any point, I found the exercise to be bigoted, offensive, and unrealistic, so I pointed that out.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I addressed the question! The question was what evidence do I have that women avoid contact with bears. I provided logic and reason that they avoid bears in a way they do not avoid men.

I didn't ask you that question.

I didn't miss any point, I found the exercise to be bigoted, offensive, and unrealistic, so I pointed that out.

It's very realistic to women. You refuse to listen to us. Thus making the point of the entire thought exercise.
Nice job.

 

[Kfox]

Mistaken inference in loaded question.

How is this a loaded question?

 

[Kfox]

I didn't ask you that question.

You didn't bring anything new to the table. I understand a woman alone in an empty place will feel threatened at the sight of a man, but to say they will fear a man more than a wild bear is a bit much. If you walking down a street at night and you saw a man at a distance walking toward you, you might cross the street as a safety measure, but if you saw a grizzly bear walking towards you, I bet you would do a heck of a lot more than cross the street and continue walking, you gonna turn around and run, get on your cell phone and call animal control, hide, or something far more drastic than you would if you only saw a man walking toward you.

It's very realistic to women. You refuse to listen to us. Thus making the point of the entire thought exercise.
Nice job.

As I asked countless times before and nobody wants to give an answer, would you apply this same logic to race? If a white woman claims to have been raped by a black man, would you consider her to be justified in judging all black men as violent rapists?

 

[Revoltingest]

How is this a loaded question?

"Do you feel justified to judge all men as being that way?"
It appears to presume that she judges all men that way,
when asking about feeling justified to do it.
If you don't presume that, it would be useful to avoid
having 2 elements to a question.

 

[Kfox]

"Do you feel justified to judge all men as being that way?"
It appears to presume that she judges all men that way,

She judges all men as more dangerous than wild bears. The reason she judges all men this way is due to the traumatic experiences she articulated. What else am I supposed to presume?

 

[Revoltingest]

She judges all men as more dangerous than wild bears.

You believe this about @SkepticThinker?
If so, I disagree.

 

[crossfire]

That's not "masculinization".
That's just how it is.
Women have long been traditionally in charge of us.
As a wise man once said...
"If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
So I & others belong to the Pa Taitai (literally "Fear Wife") club.
We base successful marriages on knowing when to do as we're
told, to know when to shut the **** up, & to apologize.

I think our Italian friend has no understanding at all
how things are with Ameristanian men & women.
Perhaps it's based upon news doomscrolling or movies?
I say that our lot in life has improved over my lifetime.

I wanted her to clarify what she meant by masculization of American women and that is what she mentioned.

 

[Kfox]

You believe this about @SkepticThinker?
If so, I disagree.

If I were to go strictly by her words, I would believe it. But I don't believe what she says so my complaint is that she feels comfortable saying such an offensive thing

 

[Revoltingest]

If I were to go strictly by her words, I would believe it.

I go strictly by her words, & also by reading between
the lines. You're utterly wrong.
Perhaps you misunderstand her trying to present the
understanding of other women who are irrationally
fearful of random men....men in general.

But I don't believe what she says so my complaint is that she feels comfortable saying such an offensive thing

Don't take offense so easily.
I'm a man (albeit a poor specimen), & I don't take
personally the fearful attitudes of damaged women.
It's useful to understand why they feel that way.
And for us to tolerate some histrionics in a rant.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's not "masculinization".
That's just how it is.
Women have long been traditionally in charge of us.
As a wise man once said...
"If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
So I & others belong to the Pa Taitai (literally "Fear Wife") club.
We base successful marriages on knowing when to do as we're
told, to know when to shut the **** up, & to apologize.

I think our Italian friend has no understanding at all
how things are with Ameristanian men & women.
Perhaps it's based upon news doomscrolling or movies?
I say that our lot in life has improved over my lifetime.

If I have understood correctly...well American husbands endure so many things from their own wives for the sake of marriage, right?
Saving marriage first, self second?


I mean... honestly I have never tried to impose anything on my boyfriends, especially on Sundays, which is the "sacred day dedicated to soccer"...
and on Saturday night I used to tell them: see ya on Monday.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I have understood correctly...well American husbands endure so many things from their own wives for the sake of marriage, right?

I'll wager that most Italian men who manages to
avoid divorce for several decades are unknowing
members of the Pa Taitai Club.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'll wager that most Italian men who manages to
avoid divorce for several decades are unknowing
members of the Pa Taitai Club.

Usually random extra-marital affairs are not the cause of divorces in Italy.
Something more serious needs to happen so two spouses get divorced.

 

[Revoltingest]

Usually random extra-marital affairs are not the cause of divorces in Italy.
Something more serious needs to happen so two spouses get divorced.

Like loading the dishwasher improperly?

 

[Estro Felino]

Like loading the dishwasher improperly?

It depends on the region.
For example, a Sicilian woman will usually tolerate that her husband cheats on her with a woman. Except rare cases where she will ask for divorce.
But she won't tolerate that he cheats on her with a man. That would turn her into a vengeful, merciless beast during the divorce trial.

 

[Revoltingest]

It depends on the region.
For example, a Sicilian woman will usually tolerate that her husband cheats on her with a woman. Except rare cases where she will ask for divorce.
But she won't tolerate that he cheats on her with a man. That would turn her into a vengeful, merciless beast during the divorce trial.

Sicilian women are bigots about homosexuality?

 

[Estro Felino]

Sicilian women are bigots about homosexuality?

Very.
I recall my aunt saying that she didn't mind that her husband had cheated on her...
she used to brag about him saying that he liked the prettiest women in town.
And then she said something in dialect that basically meant "better to have a philanderer as husband than a gay husband".

 

[SkepticThinker]

You didn't bring anything new to the table. I understand a woman alone in an empty place will feel threatened at the sight of a man, but to say they will fear a man more than a wild bear is a bit much. If you walking down a street at night and you saw a man at a distance walking toward you, you might cross the street as a safety measure, but if you saw a grizzly bear walking towards you, I bet you would do a heck of a lot more than cross the street and continue walking, you gonna turn around and run, get on your cell phone and call animal control, hide, or something far more drastic than you would if you only saw a man walking toward you.

Please tell me more about how women feel.
Please make the point of the meme apparent for us.

As I asked countless times before and nobody wants to give an answer, would you apply this same logic to race? If a white woman claims to have been raped by a black man, would you consider her to be justified in judging all black men as violent rapists?

Already answered. No. Race doesn't make any difference. Race seems to be a big thing for some Americans for some reason. I'm not American.

Why are we changing this to a race thing?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You believe this about @SkepticThinker?
If so, I disagree.

Thanks. I think you get it.