Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[SkepticThinker]

She judges all men as more dangerous than wild bears. The reason she judges all men this way is due to the traumatic experiences she articulated. What else am I supposed to presume?

She does not. I don't judge my husband as being more dangerous than a wild bear. I don't judge @Revoltingest as being more dangerous than wild bears.

But you don't believe what I say anyway so ....

I go strictly by her words, & also by reading between
the lines. You're utterly wrong.
Perhaps you misunderstand her trying to present the
understanding of other women who are irrationally
fearful of random men....men in general.

Don't take offense so easily.
I'm a man (albeit a poor specimen), & I don't take
personally the fearful attitudes of damaged women.
It's useful to understand why they feel that way.
And for us to tolerate some histrionics in a rant.

And there is the whole entire point of the thought experiment!

Thank you. I think you get me on this one.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Like loading the dishwasher improperly?

That is a serious offence!

 

[Stevicus]

If I have understood correctly...well American husbands endure so many things from their own wives for the sake of marriage, right?
Saving marriage first, self second?


I mean... honestly I have never tried to impose anything on my boyfriends, especially on Sundays, which is the "sacred day dedicated to soccer"...
and on Saturday night I used to tell them: see ya on Monday.

There was once a time when ending a marriage or divorce was considered a matter of great shame, although I guess public perceptions have changed over time. Still, I can see where some might still see it from an older, more traditional viewpoint, considering marriage to be something sacred and holy. I've seen different opinions on that, although I can see where there might be plenty of reasons a married couple might decide to call it quits.

I think there's a stereotype of American husbands enduring questionable treatment from their wives, yet still doing their faithful duty as husbands and fathers. It seems a recurring trope in American sitcoms. The old trope of the "henpecked husband." I don't think it's really like that, as everybody is different and has their own individual way of doing things. But it's good fodder for comedy, I guess.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Please tell me more about how women feel.
Please make the point of the meme apparent for us.

Already answered. No. Race doesn't make any difference. Race seems to be a big thing for some Americans for some reason. I'm not American.

Why are we changing this to a race thing?

It’s a diversionary technique for dismissing the feelings and experiences of women.

It’s easy to do here in America, since the 500 year old Patriarchy here in America is at the intersection of Class, Race, and Gender, so the big switcheroo is easily missed.

So men often fear Women, especially unarmed men, who are afraid to face women without their guns. (This may also explain why they are so afraid of Women’s History, by the way, and have a tendency to barge into threads where Women’s History is being discussed, and shutting down the discussion. So the rest of us get notices that we’ve broken some forum rule on civility or something, and get locked out of the thread because Women’s History is considered as uncivilized, due to the extreme violence of Women against men in the past.)

Look at this guy. He’s not afraid of Women.

Of course, it is true that he’s armed, but, unlike the paramilitary forces in our society who are so afraid of Women (due to their male defensiveness and their male fragility), he’s actually accountable to Civil Society. Accountable to the Law.

Men need to get over their fear of Women, and to finally forgive Women for their past violence against men.

It was a Holy War, for God’s sake! (This is one of the reasons why some men here on this forum don’t want Women from Catholic cultures to have any input on their Second Commandment gun rites, and demand that Catholic Women be disenfranchised in Civil Society.)

It was not a one way street, as many men who have never read any history tend to forget.

It is long past time for men to forgive Women for their violence, and to meet Women half-way, and to start treating Women as equals.

Cop Sobs In Arms of Stranger Who Brought Him Food After Fellow Iowa Officers Die

 

[Estro Felino]

There was once a time when ending a marriage or divorce was considered a matter of great shame, although I guess public perceptions have changed over time. Still, I can see where some might still see it from an older, more traditional viewpoint, considering marriage to be something sacred and holy. I've seen different opinions on that, although I can see where there might be plenty of reasons a married couple might decide to call it quits.

I think there's a stereotype of American husbands enduring questionable treatment from their wives, yet still doing their faithful duty as husbands and fathers. It seems a recurring trope in American sitcoms. The old trope of the "henpecked husband." I don't think it's really like that, as everybody is different and has their own individual way of doing things. But it's good fodder for comedy, I guess.

Interesting.
A recurring trope in Italian sitcoms is the husband cheating on her wife and she doing anything to expose him.

 

[Revoltingest]

Very.
I recall my aunt saying that she didn't mind that her husband had cheated on her...
she used to brag about him saying that he liked the prettiest women in town.
And then she said something in dialect that basically meant "better to have a philanderer as husband than a gay husband".

I suspect that many might be better persons than that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanks. I think you get it.

I have a lot of experience reading English.
And I've no ax to grind regarding this issue.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't judge @Revoltingest as being more dangerous than wild bears.

Even though I'm a capitalist running
dog who votes Libertarian?

Thank you. I think you get me on this one.

Well, I did attend a large public school.

 

[Estro Felino]

I suspect that many might be better persons than that.

Than my aunt?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Even though I'm a capitalist running
dog who votes Libertarian?

Even in spite of all that.

Well, I did attend a large public school.

Hey me too! High five!

 

[Estro Felino]

Please tell me more about how women feel.
Please make the point of the meme apparent for us.

Already answered. No. Race doesn't make any difference. Race seems to be a big thing for some Americans for some reason. I'm not American.

Why are we changing this to a race thing?

I could be wrong, but as far as I observe, I think that American women tend to emulate and compete against men in every field.
They kinda express all their anger against them...as we can see.

My female friends and I ignore men most of the times...because they have their world, their interests, their logic.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

I could be wrong, but as far as I observe, I think that American women tend to emulate and compete against men in every field.
They kinda express all their anger against them...as we can see.

You mean like dancing?

Should Women not be allowed to dance?

Dance is a very important part of Catholicism, from a historical point of view.

And dance often contains elements of competition.

“If I can’t dance, then I don’t want to be part of your revolution” - Emma Goldman

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[Kfox]

I go strictly by her words, & also by reading between
the lines. You're utterly wrong.
Perhaps you misunderstand her trying to present the
understanding of other women who are irrationally
fearful of random men....men in general.

This is not about women who are irrational, this is supposed to be about the majority of women. If this were about irrational women, I'd be okay; but to tell me most women feel this way? Though I am not a woman, I know plenty of them; I've got sisters, wives, friends who are women; and they are not irrational this way

Don't take offense so easily.
I'm a man (albeit a poor specimen), & I don't take
personally the fearful attitudes of damaged women.
It's useful to understand why they feel that way.
And for us to tolerate some histrionics in a rant.

These women are not supposed to be damaged, and not going on a rant; this is presented as how women actually feel about men.

 

[Kfox]

Already answered. No. Race doesn't make any difference. Race seems to be a big thing for some Americans for some reason. I'm not American.

Why are we changing this to a race thing?

My reply was in the context of how things are in the USA. In the US these type of people would never even dream about applying the same type of logic to race, because they would be vilified as a bigot and racist. For you to say a person would be justified in judging all black men based on the actions of one would earn you the label of bigot and racist in America.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is not about women who are irrational, this is supposed to be about the majority of women.

You think a majority of women would
prefer to meet a bear than a random
man in the woods? Nah.
That bespeaks a phobia.

If this were about irrational women, I'd be okay; but to tell me most women feel this way? Though I am not a woman, I know plenty of them; I've got sisters, wives, friends who are women; and they are not irrational this way

These women are not supposed to be damaged, and not going on a rant; this is presented as how women actually feel about men.

Damaged is as damaged does.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My reply was in the context of how things are in the USA. In the US these type of people would never even dream about applying the same type of logic to race, because they would be vilified as a bigot and racist. For you to say a person would be justified in judging all black men based on the actions of one would earn you the label of bigot and racist in America.

I guess I'm failing to see why or how race comes into play at all.

 

[SkepticThinker]

This is not about women who are irrational, this is supposed to be about the majority of women. If this were about irrational women, I'd be okay; but to tell me most women feel this way? Though I am not a woman, I know plenty of them; I've got sisters, wives, friends who are women; and they are not irrational this way

These women are not supposed to be damaged, and not going on a rant; this is presented as how women actually feel about men.

I would suggest listening to your sisters, wives, friends who are women, instead of telling them how you think they should feel, without ever experiencing what they've experienced.

Which is the entire point of the bear/man in the woods exercise in the first place.

 

[Estro Felino]

You think a majority of women would
prefer to meet a bear than a random
man in the woods? Nah.
That bespeaks a phobia.

Damaged is as damaged does.

At 1:12 you can see a woman who clearly says: I'd rather be mauled by an animal than running into a random man.

 

[Revoltingest]

At 1:12 you can see a woman who clearly says: I'd rather be mauled by an animal than running into a random man.

She's clearly a damaged person who
desperately needs therapy....or she's
just ranting by pretending a deadly
fear of men.
I don't think a single woman I know IRL
would have that preference.

 

[Estro Felino]

She's clearly a damaged person who
desperately needs therapy....or she's
just ranting by pretending a deadly
fear of men.
I don't think a single woman I know IRL
would have that preference.

No...it's just the toxic culture that wants to impose the narrative that all men are stalkers and murderers.

I mean...my best friend has always been dumped by men. She confessed me that she really wishes someone of her exes had stalked her.