Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[Magic Man]

That's what this entire thread is about! That women believe men are more dangerous than bears!

Maybe that's the difference; you're getting your information from women who feel a need to be in a support group; I don't. The women I talk to are not broken, they are not victims, they are not weak and fearful. Perhaps if you spoke to women who have no need for a support group, you might get some different answers.

The women whose answer is the bear are mostly also not victims or broken or weak or fearful or need a support group. They're just regular women who are rightly wary of men due to the large number of negative interactions they've had with them.

 

[Magic Man]

Honestly I believe that being hit on by a man is something that bothers many women. And that is why men should understand that unwanted advances may affect their "reputation".
It's perfectly understandable.
But men are a bit weird...I mean there are so many women, like my friends who love to be hit on by men...it's because they are very vain and self-centered and that makes them feel pretty.

Why do men prefer to hit on the shy ones? Because they tend to be hunters. They don't like being preyed on by women...they want to be the hunters, so they avoid the "promiscuous" and the "nymphos" even if they look like Miss Universe...
and prefer to chase the chaste modest ones.

They are turned on by rejection...and that makes them weird creatures...

Putting aside the extreme overgeneralization, this only supports choosing the bear.

 

[Kfox]

Alone. In the woods. With nobody else around.

How about a park with nobody around?

People in support groups aren't broken. Good grief.

Why do you need a support group if there ain't nothing wrong?

The women you talk to "aren't broken." LOL

The women I know are more likely to go to a park than a forest; and if they saw a bear in the park vs a man in the park, they would fear the bear more.

Well, I'm sorry to have to tell you, but the whole reason we're having this discussion in the first place is because women of the internet have already spoken, and they mostly choose the bear. It's not just me and the other "broken women," of course.

But thanks for the mansplanation about broken, weak and fearful women. I've learned so much.

Glad I could be of help.

 

[Kfox]

The women whose answer is the bear are mostly also not victims or broken or weak or fearful or need a support group. They're just regular women who are rightly wary of men due to the large number of negative interactions they've had with them.

it's easy to say the bear when you have never been in contact with, and know you will likely never be in contact with a wild bear.

 

[Magic Man]

it's easy to say the bear when you have never been in contact with, and know you will likely never be in contact with a wild bear.

You seem to be missing the point. The whole point of the question is to show just how prevalent bad behavior by men against women is. It's not meant to initiate a discussion of the exact probabilities and details. It's enough that so many women don't just automatically say "the man, duh".

 

[Kfox]

You seem to be missing the point. The whole point of the question is to show just how prevalent bad behavior by men against women is.

Like that’s all we need is another example of the countless other examples of men behaving badly. Every time you turn on the TV, watch a movie, TV commercials, discussion groups like this, there are countless examples of men being violent, stupid, dumb, evil, cowards, every horrible thing you can think of; we are constantly getting examples of men behaving that way; ENOUGH ALREADY!!! If you give another example, I’m gonna refute it.

 

[Magic Man]

Like that’s all we need is another example of the countless other examples of men behaving badly. Every time you turn on the TV, watch a movie, TV commercials, discussion groups like this, there are countless examples of men being violent, stupid, dumb, evil, cowards, every horrible thing you can think of; we are constantly getting examples of men behaving that way; ENOUGH ALREADY!!! If you give another example, I’m gonna refute it.

Apparently it's not enough, since a whole lot of men don't realize just how bad the problem is. Hence, this question.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How about a park with nobody around?

We've already been over that one.

Why do you need a support group if there ain't nothing wrong?

For support. It doesn't make us "broken" people.
Do you think everyone who attends therapy is "broken?"

The women I know are more likely to go to a park than a forest; and if they saw a bear in the park vs a man in the park, they would fear the bear more.

Maybe they're all "broken" and we can just dismiss their feelings.
Or just take your word for it, I guess. I'm sure all the women are just fine with you speaking on their behalf.

Glad I could be of help.

Yes, because mansplaining is always so helpful.

 

[SkepticThinker]

it's easy to say the bear when you have never been in contact with, and know you will likely never be in contact with a wild bear.

Yeah dude, it's a thought experiment.

 

[Stevicus]

Like that’s all we need is another example of the countless other examples of men behaving badly. Every time you turn on the TV, watch a movie, TV commercials, discussion groups like this, there are countless examples of men being violent, stupid, dumb, evil, cowards, every horrible thing you can think of; we are constantly getting examples of men behaving that way; ENOUGH ALREADY!!! If you give another example, I’m gonna refute it.

I've seen examples cited of men behaving badly, and I'm inclined to believe them. Of course, I understand that this may be a small percentage of men, but as men, we know that they exist. Even my grandfather used to warn my mom about going out at night or into certain areas, since "you never what kind of creeps, bums, or weirdos might be out there." It's natural for men to want to protect the women they care about, and it's mainly protection from other men who might be dangerous or predatory.

I guess the trouble may have been when men were too protective (or possessive) to the point where women were in a position where they weren't really free or equal in society, which led to women resisting and rebelling against this situation. Coupled with the sexual revolution and looser mores in that area, many men also felt uninhibited and believed that all the rules of being a "gentleman" were thrown out the window. I guess one might call the "Hugh Hefner" or the "Fonzie" effect, but the end result seems to be that a lot of men got in touch with their inner lech and became the cads, jerks, and predators that many women have been complaining about. The kind of people my grandfather warned my mom about.

So, these men do exist, and they do behave badly. But not all of them do, and it's those who don't act that way or behave badly that might feel unfairly put upon. Not that they're necessarily being "blamed" for the behavior, actions, and/or crimes of other men. But since we're men, it seems we're expected to do something about it just the same.

A lot of men would like to do something about it, as they certainly don't want their wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc. to have to put up with these other kinds of awful men out there. But what is to be done?

 

[Kfox]

Apparently it's not enough, since a whole lot of men don't realize just how bad the problem is. Hence, this question.

Anybody who doesn't know will never know. Making all men look bad won't change any of that.

 

[Kfox]

For support. It doesn't make us "broken" people.
Do you think everyone who attends therapy is "broken?"

If a person perfectly fine, why would they need therapy?

 

[Kfox]

Yeah dude, it's a thought experiment.

An offensive thought experiment.

 

[Viker]

An offensive thought experiment.

Can you do me a favor? Would you point out exactly what is offensive about the question? In simple terms? Maybe even a bullet list or something?

 

[McBell]

An offensive thought experiment.

Who, exactly, is offended?
And why?

 

[Magic Man]

Anybody who doesn't know will never know. Making all men look bad won't change any of that.

Wait, I thought you just pointed out how widespread the problem is.

1) The idea that we shouldn't try to make it clear to people who don't understand makes no sense. It's a societal issue. You don't just say "oh, well, only 30% of men understand, I guess that'll have to be good enough".

2) No one is making all men look bad. It's just pointing out how prevalent bad behavior toward women is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If a person perfectly fine, why would they need therapy?

To help human beings understand and regulate their emotions in the healthiest way possible. To know that you have support and that you're not alone in life and that there are other people having the same experiences as yourself To better understand how the human mind works.

People don't just go to therapy because they're "broken."

Everybody needs therapy, in my opinion.

 

[Kfox]

Wait, I thought you just pointed out how widespread the problem is.

1) The idea that we shouldn't try to make it clear to people who don't understand makes no sense. It's a societal issue. You don't just say "oh, well, only 30% of men understand, I guess that'll have to be good enough".

2) No one is making all men look bad. It's just pointing out how prevalent bad behavior toward women is.

I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't so one sided. Even though there are just as many women who behave badly, but it seems when women behave badly, society is less likely to vilify her (compared to bad men) and more likely to make excuses for her behavior. I remember when Obama was President, he gave a speech during fathers day. He spent most of the speech talking about how he didn't have a father around when he grew up and encouraging men to "step up" and raise your kids. Can you imagine a politician giving a mothers day speech focusing on bad women and telling mothers to step up?

 

[Kfox]

Who, exactly, is offended?
And why?

I found it offensive because it implied women fear men more than they do dangerous wild animals, when their behavior indicates they do not. It seems to go back to the ole feminist rallying cry that all men are potential rapists. As I pointed out before; can you imagine if someone used such a thought experiment on race where black people were perceived as dangerous? It would never be tolerated.

 

[Kfox]

Can you do me a favor? Would you point out exactly what is offensive about the question? In simple terms? Maybe even a bullet list or something?

I found it offensive because it implied women fear men more than they do dangerous wild animals, when their behavior indicates they do not. It seems to go back to the ole feminist rallying cry that all men are potential rapists. As I pointed out before; can you imagine if someone used such a thought experiment on race where black people were perceived as dangerous? It would never be tolerated.