I thought you were going somewhere with that argument; after all it was you that brought it up. The consent argument and explaining consent was an absurd response; it had nothing do with the question asked, nor did it address the topic at hand; yet for some reason you chose to bring it up! I thought maybe you were going somewhere with it to make a point so I responded; but it appears you were not.
Here is the exchange:
No; if women were as afraid of men as you are suggesting, there would be no moving away, they would not have been living with us in the first place
As I pointed out, men are still essential for society at this point. Women need them to procreate (generally speaking). Women are still attracted to them (generally speaking). They still make up half of society. Bears are unnecessary. The vast majority of people live their wholes lives without ever interacting with a bear.
No; if women were as afraid of men as you are suggesting, there would be no moving away, they would not have been living with us in the first place.
Nope. Sorry, none of this follows logic, no matter how many times you repeat it.
Its perfectly logical; if women were afraid they might die when mating with a man, why would she mate with a man?
First of all, I'll go ahead and avoid "mate" here. Second, women aren't afraid they might die when having sex with a man. They're afraid a man might sexually assault or rape them. If you're going to continue to reply, at least put a little bit of thought into it, please.
So..... why would a woman go to a man for sex, if she is afraid he might sexually assault or rape her?
Do you just not understand what sexual assault and rape are? So, there's something called consent. Here's how it works.
A man want to act in a sexual way toward a woman, whether by touching her, kissing her or full sex. To do any of that, he is supposed to get her informed consent. If she gives that, great. If not, then he is supposed to not engage in any such behavior toward her.
Most women like to have sexual/romantic contact with a man, but obviously, only when they consent to it.
Great! Now apply that consent rule to the topic at hand; which is a woman approaching a man because SHE want's to have sex.
Why is that the topic at hand? What about that topic are you saying is relevant?
YOU are the one who said women hang around men because they are attracted to them and they desire men for sex/procreation
Riiiight...so, I'm still waiting for the relevance of your point here. I explained consent to you. Then you said to apply that to women wanting sex from men. You'll have to explain your point there.
Because consent has nothing to do with your explanation that women desire men for sex.
I don't even have words for this. Usually, I can parse some kind of meaning, even if it's underlying. Here, I have absolutely no idea what you're saying. Most women are attracted to men. Most women like having sex with men, but only when they consent. Sooooo, after explaining consent to you, you said to apply that to women wanting to have sex with men. OK, it's applied. Women want to have sex with men when both parties consent. Is there some kind of point you're trying to make here?
It all started with your claim that if women were truly as afraid of men as of bears, they wouldn't be living in society with men, and then it went from there. It turned into "If women were afraid they might die when mating with a man, why would she mate with a man?", which is a completely different question and shows a complete lack of understanding of consent, which is why I then explained consent.
Soooo, women are wary of unfamiliar men. That's why so many of them say they'd choose the bear in this scenario. They are not "afraid of dying when mating with a man". They're wary of men because of all the many, many times men have acted badly/creepily toward them in their lives. They still choose to "mate with a man" because they're female humans who have a sex drive and are attracted to men. When they do "mate with men", they give consent. When men sexually harass them, assault them and rape them (which is the cause of them choosing the bear), they do not give consent.
You kept changing things and muddying the waters. I'm not sure if it was an intentional attempt to confuse things, or you genuinely got yourself confused. Either way, women are actually wary of unfamiliar men. They still live in society with them, because as of now, men are still necessary, and most women are still attracted to them and want to have sexual/romantic relationships with them, and many women want to have children the old-fashioned way. And when women do those things, they do them of their own accord. Which is completely different from them being raped, sexually assaulted and harassed.
What type of bear? Grizzly bear? Or a small black bear?
This isn't even a nice try.
"Wild animal" = mouse, fly, squirrel, ant, swallow, sloth, deer, wolf, bear, etc.
Bear = one species of animal
There is an immense variety of "wild animals". I'm perfectly fine with fighting off a fly or a mouse. I'm a lot more worried when it's a bear or wolf.
Uuuhhhh...yes, it is. I mean, if you're going to lie, at least don't be so blatant.
Who asked the bear questions, and who answered?
A lot of people, and a lot of women.
You're avoiding the actual point. The point is the bear one is an actual question answered be actual women. You made up another scenario and made it's details fit the point you wanted to make. If you actually pose a real question to real people and get real answers from them, then you can compare it to the bear question.
Does it matter if they expressed the same type of bigotry against saay….. Mexicans? It’s all bigotry; that’s my point.
It matters quite a bit. Are they specifically afraid of one race? For instance:
Would you choose a wild animal or a Black person?
A wild animal.
Would you choose a wild animal or a white person?
A wild animal.
Would you choose a wild animal or a Latin person?
A wild animal.
Etc.
If they're just choosing the wild animal over people in general, it's not even bigotry.
