Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[Revoltingest]

According to that definition, just because you are being bigoted towards a person does not mean you hate them.

The feeling that any man is more dangerous than
a bear doesn't strike me as bigotry. These women
have a phobia that should be treated.

 

[crossfire]

The feeling that any man is more dangerous than
a bear doesn't strike me as bigotry. These women
have a phobia that should be treated.

Treated by whom?

 

[Koldo]

The point is to draw attention to the danger being stuck with a man represents. Not just in abstract but in the lived experiences of women generally.

And yet what drew attention weren't the actual lived experiences of women. Which is a shame.

Those who are more upset by the 'exaggeration' than actually empathizing and trying to understand why women are picking the bear are part of the problem.

That implies the ones upset do not understand why those women picked the bear. I don't really think that is the case, in general.

 

[Revoltingest]

Treated by whom?

A licensed health care professional.
What other option is there?

 

[crossfire]

A licensed health care professional.
What other option is there?

Voluntary or involuntary?

 

[Revoltingest]

Voluntary or involuntary?

I favor voluntary seeking of health services.
(Methinks you already know how I'd answer.)

 

[crossfire]

I favor voluntary seeking of health services.
(Methinks you already know how I'd answer.)

What would you do to convince these women to seek mental health services based upon their answer to a survey question?

 

[Revoltingest]

What would you do to convince these women to seek mental health services based upon their answer to a survey question?

I've no intent to convince them of anything.
I'm opining about the condition of women with
an apparent phobia of men that would lead them
to prefer encountering a wild bear.
That is dysfunctional to the point of interfering
with enjoyment of life. Such things are worth
overcoming, & professionals are useful.
Your questions suggest some disagreement, eh.

 

[Stevicus]

According to that definition, just because you are being bigoted towards a person does not mean you hate them.

I think the word "hate" might also come into play, since it's a general emotion that most of us might have experienced at one point or another. However, it also gets applied in political and legal situations, such as in terms like "hate crime" and "hate speech," which might make some people more sensitive to being tarred as some kind of "hater." To suggest that someone hates an entire group of people based on an immutable characteristic from birth is tantamount to a criminal accusation.

That doesn't mean there haven't been some pretty hateful things being written - or at least, one could say negative or hostile or bigoted, even if it may not break the barrier of "hate speech."

Oftentimes, statements made against males might get a pass (even when the reverse would get severely criticized and chastised), usually justified by historical considerations. Those who are of a class which has been historically oppressed feel justified in making negative remarks about the race/gender/nationality of those who have been historical oppressors. I've always considered this to be the wrong approach, and it appears to rub a lot of people the wrong way (as we see in public discussions such as this one). There's far too much posturing and not enough real talk.

 

[wellwisher]

This is Yasmina Pani, a very outspoken writer and teacher who writes about linguistics.

She wrote this article where she explains that so many women chose the bear (in that idiotic survey) because hating men (which is also called misandry) has become something fashionable and cool. The purpose is to create a new wave of feminism that can sell.
Meglio incontrare l'orso: la moda di odiare gli uomini
If you are interested in the whole article, and have Google Chrome, you can click on the right key of the mouse and choose Translate into English.

I totally agree with her. I mean...
I think that the results in that survey show how misandry is a brand that sells. And it has become something absolutely laughable and paradoxical.
I mean, statistically meeting strangers in a wood can be risky, but not as risky as meeting a wild bear.

Men and women both have male and female DNA, which we get from our two parents. Our biological sex will define which aspect of the DNA is more conscious and on the surface; form and function. The DNA of the other sex is more connected to the unconscious mind, but this gets more conscious with age. Older men soften and older women harden, as a function of their unconscious secondary DNA.

The net effect is a male has a female side; anima, and a female has a male side; animus. These are semi-conscious but will come to the surface in intimate relationships. The female may get exacting or be a witch; animus, and the male may get moody; anima. The anima of the male, can also make a male more charming. Its verbal illusions can lower the guard of women, making the male seem like someone who knows women, since the anima is a woman of sorts; from a maternal DNA effect.

The bear is a mother symbol. I guess this would be more of a variation of the male's anima blends with male instinct. The male alternative, that was not chosen, is more like a persona or mask on a biological man. The bear is more of a natural expression of his anima, but with a strong wild side. These feminists prefer the biker, over the GQ persona with "?" beneath. The bear is not tame but it is real and raw, and is what he is.

In tradition, the male leads the female. This also applies at the level of the anima and animus, with the female's animus assuming the male role. Women tend to lead their husbands at this level. In an extreme case, these can manifest as the exacting woman; animus, and her hen pecked husband; submissive anima or female role.

The bear, although connected to the anima of the male, is not easy to dominate via the animus. It is wild and not an act. This often helps a strong woman, whose animus can get over bearing. The bear can help a woman learn to become a woman, due to the bear's anima having its own male animal's animus; triple layered; battle of wills.

These women appear to be seeking their own femininity again, via this complex internal convolution. Feminist tend to be strong and have too much animus; animosity. Getting beyond that requires the animus be contained by the bear. The goal is the tough biker babe who is a kitten around her wild man. This is a soften animus that can tame the bear and not have fight all the time.

 

[crossfire]

I've no intent to convince them of anything.
I'm opining about the condition of women with
an apparent phobia of men that would lead them
to prefer encountering a wild bear.
That is dysfunctional to the point of interfering
with enjoyment of life. Such things are worth
overcoming, & professionals are useful.
Your questions suggest some disagreement, eh.

Well, yeah, I'm a bit wary as there have been cases where rape victims have been court-ordered to undergo psychological "treatment" to convince themselves that the rape never occurred, even with overwhelming evidence that it did, which was ignored until another court stepped in with unrefutable evidence that could not be ignored.

Rape victim suing Lynnwood police | HeraldNet.com

LYNNWOOD — The victim of a serial rapist is now suing the Lynnwood police detectives who once accused her of lying about being sexually assaulted.

www.heraldnet.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, yeah, I'm a bit wary as there have been cases where rape victims have been court-ordered to undergo psychological "treatment" to convince themselves that the rape never occurred, even with overwhelming evidence that it did, which was ignored until another court stepped in with unrefutable evidence that could not be ignored.

You might've noticed that I post ad nauseum in
opposition to police coercing innocent people to
make false confessions....in addition to many other
authoritarian measures by jack booted government
thugs who love to brutalize us.
I'd hope that posters infer my advice to seek counseling
is not advocating forcing women to deny wrongs done
to them.

 

[crossfire]

You might've noticed that I post ad nauseum in
opposition to police coercing innocent people to
make false confessions....in addition to many other
authoritarian measures by jack booted government
thugs who love to brutalize us.
I'd hope that posters infer my advice to seek counseling
is not advocating forcing women to deny wrongs done
to them.

Good. The line between "It'll never happen" and "It never happened" is often ignored, especially by those choose to rely on their own idealistic biases of how they think things are instead of actually examining the situation as it truly is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good. The line between "It'll never happen" and "It never happened" is often ignored, especially by those choose to rely on their own idealistic biases of how they think things are instead of actually examining the situation as it truly is.

We all have our idealistic biases. Mine favors the
individual, as opposed to those who believe that if
only a few people have their rights abridged, then
it matters not....only large groups matter.
Every individual's rights matter, be they female, male,
or complicated. Government's primary job is to protect
those rights, not abuse them. And we individuals are
each obligated to treat others honestly & fairly.
Another useful option.....

 

[crossfire]

We all have our idealistic biases. Mine favors the
individual, as opposed to those who believe that if
only a few people have their rights abridged, then
it matters not.
Every individual's rights matter, be they female, male,
or complicated. Government's primary job is to protect
those rights, not abuse them. And we individuals are
each obligated to treat others honestly & fairly.
Another useful option.....

That is a noble ideal. Does describe reality as it is right now?

 

[Revoltingest]

That is a noble ideal. Does describe reality as it is right now?

Took us a while to find common ground, eh.

Humanity is a work in progress.
It always will be.
My ideals will never become popular.
But some others share them.

 

[crossfire]

Took us a while to find common ground, eh.

Humanity is a work in progress.
It always will be.
My ideals will never become popular.
But some others share them.

Thank you for acknowledging that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank you for acknowledging that.

I say it all regularly.
But not often enuf it seems.
I must increase my posting frequency, eh.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, it is. We're talking about an actual questioned posed to actual women, who gave actual answers. You're proposing a fictional scenario and inserting the details you want it to have.

Why is asking multiple people necessary to show bigotry?

So much to unpack here.

1) I would ask about all races in your scenario because you didn't give a reason to specify only one race. In our example, there's a reason it's asked of women about men. There is an actual problem the question and answer highlight.

Okay; let’s say it’s only one race, the lady fears black people. Is it bigotry to fear and distrust all black people based on her own personal experiences with black people?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I never said anything about hating men, the OP said that when she named the title of this thread. I have consistently used the terms bigotry, or sexist.

You definitely seem to think it's about hating men.

Did I ask what you did with your car keys?

What you asked me was, "Do you hide for cover if you see a man around? Praying he doesn’t notice you?"

The thing about the car keys was my response to that.
And again, instead of actually listening to me ....

Did I ask what you did with your cell phone, or whatever else you might have? NO I asked DID YOU RUN AND HIDE! A simple question requiring a yes or no response and you couldn’t even get that one right. Now you have the audacity to suggest I’m not paying attention!

You're blathering on ....

PS You doing an awful lot to avoid answering a simple question are ya!

I did answer your question. You freaked out over the answer, above. I wouldn't run and hide. It's too late for that in your scenario anyway. I'd prepare myself in case the man had shady intentions in mind. That's what I'm doing when I put my car keys between my fingers. That's a direct response to your question.


Aaaaand, I'm done with you. You're not listening. You don't actually care what women think. You care more about what you think. Thus, demonstrating the entire point of the man/bear in the woods exercise. Bravo! A job well done.