Italy and Hungary oppose warfare supply to Ukraine

[Estro Felino]

I have another personal opinion about that.

I see.
Explain it to me better.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I see.
Explain it to me better.

No, as I am not a true European or anything other true as related to the truth. I don't pretend to know anything as relevant as you are the source of that, dearest, as you always make clear. You hold the truth, right???

 

[Estro Felino]

No, as I am not a true European or anything other true as related to the truth. I don't pretend to know anything as relevant as you are the source of that, dearest, as you always make clear. You hold the truth, right???

No...I can be wrong.
But only through dialogue one can ascertain that.

In fact...when the Constitutional Court ascertains that it's not unconstitutional, I will say I am wrong.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No...I can be wrong.
But only through dialogue one can ascertain that.

In fact...when the Constitutional Court ascertains that it's not unconstitutional, I will say I am wrong.

Okay, but I am not in the mood to play with you right now about true Europeans and just war and what not.

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, but I am not in the mood to play with you right now about true Europeans and just war and what not.

The truth is that you started it about complaining about sources in Italian.
Translating with Google Chrome is very simple.

I can't speak Danish, but I can use Google Chrome.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The truth is that you started it about complaining about sources in Italian.
Translating with Google Chrome is very simple.

I can't speak Danish, but I can use Google Chrome.

Yet you in this thread complained that one of us didn't understand Italian correctly.
This is an English speaking site. Unless something is truly unique to a given country and can't be found in English, then okay. But that doesn't apply to something about Ukraine, the EU, Italy and Hungary.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yet you in this thread complained that one of us didn't understand Italian correctly.
This is an English speaking site. Unless something is truly unique to a given country and can't be found in English, then okay.

Well...finding something in English about Italian politics is rare.
Yeah, that was the case.

When you linked your sources in Danish about the Socialist Party, I appreciated that, and used Google Chrome.

But that doesn't apply to something about Ukraine, the EU, Italy and Hungary.

Yes, it does.
It's European politics.
Europe exists too.
It's not all about America.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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Yes, it does.
It's European politics.
Europe exists too.
It's not all about America.

Yes, but the language you lists are not just Europa and when we are debating in general the EU as this thread is, you start in English and check if it can be done in English.
And I really don't care about a single country in the EU as such as the EU are many countries. So no, Italy doesn't have special rights as que being Italy, but no country has that.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, but the language you lists are not just Europa and when we are debating in general the EU as this thread is, you start in English and check if it can be done in English.
And I really don't care about a single country in the EU as such as the EU are many countries. So no, Italy doesn't have special rights as que being Italy, but no country has that.

Okay...then I linked a video in English.

The problem here is that we are debating about this horrific war.
This war is really destroying Europe's security and the elitist gangs overseas are to blame, because they want Europe to be turned into a battlefield, and they don't care if we all die in an atomic war.
They are devilish élites.

Okay...now you'll probably answer with "whatever". I am used to that.

 

[Stevicus]

I think Europe has evolved from that stage.
After WW2 ...we all say: no more world wars.

Americans are trying to force us to return to that stage, by normalizing the rhetoric of war.
But the EU is living the most tragic political crisis, since it is split in two. Because of this process of normalizing war.

It's funny that the most pacifist countries are Italy and Germany. Whoever speaks of war, will be accused of being a Nazi.

I think the governments of Europe would have to make a much clearer statement to get the U.S. out. The primary reason Americans support a permanent military presence in Europe is due to the belief that Europeans want and need American military forces to be there. Only Europeans are capable of convincing them otherwise, but as we've seen already, there are too many mixed messages coming out of Europe these days.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Okay...then I linked a video in English.

The problem here is that we are debating about this horrific war.
This war is really destroying Europe's security and the elitist gangs overseas are to blame, because they want Europe to be turned into a battlefield, and they don't care if we all die in an atomic war.
They are devilish élites.

Okay...now you'll probably answer with "whatever". I am used to that.

Well, you have your opinions and I have mine.

So honest. You are too weird for me and I generally don't consider any of your opinions as relevant as anything other than your opinions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think the governments of Europe would have to make a much clearer statement to get the U.S. out. The primary reason Americans support a permanent military presence in Europe is due to the belief that Europeans want and need American military forces to be there. Only Europeans are capable of convincing them otherwise, but as we've seen already, there are too many mixed messages coming out of Europe these days.

That is your opinion about Europe in the end. I have another one. That is where that ends.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, you have your opinions and I have mine.

So honest. You are too weird for me and I generally don't consider any of your opinions as relevant as anything other than your opinions.

Millions of Italians are weirdoes then. Since they share the same opinion as me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Millions of Italians are weirdoes then. Since they share the same opinion as me.

Well, then so be it. I am also a weirdo BTW. But they are not Europa and they do not have special privileges just because they are Italians. Nor do any other country in Europa.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the governments of Europe would have to make a much clearer statement to get the U.S. out. The primary reason Americans support a permanent military presence in Europe is due to the belief that Europeans want and need American military forces to be there. Only Europeans are capable of convincing them otherwise, but as we've seen already, there are too many mixed messages coming out of Europe these days.

Europeans love the United States.
The problem is that the élites push for war, also by brainwashing the American people and convincing them that war is inevitable.

The US presence in Europe was meant as defense against future wars started by non-Europeans. Or future attacks.

That means that the NATO should be the first to promote peace. And yet Iraq, Libya, Syria show otherwise.


I used to go out with American soldiers from a US air station in Sicily.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, then so be it. I am also a weirdo BTW. But they are not Europa and they do not have special privileges just because they are Italians. Nor do any other country in Europa.

Have I ever claimed special privileges?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Europeans love the United States.
The problem is that the élites push for war, also by brainwashing the American people and convincing them that war is inevitable.

The US presence in Europe was meant as defense against future wars started by non-Europeans. Or future attacks.

That means that the NATO should be the first to promote peace. And yet Iraq, Libya, Syria show otherwise.


I used to go out with American soldiers from a US air station in Sicily.

So you make the thread about something else as always and then don't tell the truth about Libya. How come @TagliatelliMonster have you down as for your behaviour? Right, you do it again and again.
If I could be bothered to dig up the truth about Libya you could choose to admit you are wrong and then claim the same all over in another thread.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Have I ever claimed special privileges?

Yes, you demand that Italy be heard for her view as per the war. But that is not how it works in the EU.

And in general for some elections you demand that a minority view be heard as a majority view, because they "won".
You are in effect as for your true Europeans and what not all about how you hold the truth about the world.

There is no such truth for what is in effect different opinions and your view is fundamentally anti democratic in a sense. That is my view of you.
You can hold these opinions, but that is what they are. And so are mine as I hold no truth over the world.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you make the thread about something else as always and then don't tell the truth about Libya. How come @TagliatelliMonster have you down as for your behaviour? Right, you do it again and again.
If I could be bothered to dig up the truth about Libya you could choose to admit you are wrong and then claim the same all over in another thread.

So you think I can't bring up the NATO's crimes in Libya because NATO has nothing to do with Ukraine, right?

Shall I believe that NATO is not behind this horrific war in Ukraine?

 

[Stevicus]

That is your opinion about Europe in the end. I have another one. That is where that ends.

My opinion in the post you're quoting was more about America than it was about Europe. @Estro Felino suggested that Americans actually want to get Europe into war so the US can justify maintaining an active military presence (and it's quite likely that America's ruling class does want that).

My view is that I don't believe most ordinary Americans actually want that, but they have been convinced and strongly persuaded that it's necessary for European security.

My opinion about Europe is that they talk out of both sides of their mouth much of the time. Half the time, they express contempt, scorn, and mockery of America, while the other half of the time, they say "We need America! Please save us from the boogieman!"