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Its not euthanasia, its suicide.

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Also, BPD tends to improve a LOT after age 40. How old is this woman? I don't know much about autism, other than that there are many different types and levels. As for the severe, clinical depression, all I know is that my MIL suffered from it pretty severely (she was even hospitalized for six months after a failed suicide attempt, and she was glad afterward that she had not succeeded). After her failed suicide attempt, due to her clinical depression, which was severe as I stated before, she switched doctors and treatment plans and became much improved.

My brother is severely mentally ill. He's schizophrenic but on his meds he makes perfect sense and lives a pretty good life. Talk about never getting better. He never will get better. There's no cure for his condition and he will have to be closely monitored for the rest of his life. Off his meds, he's a complete lunatic. But there's no guarantee that the meds he's on will continue to work, so he has to be very closely monitored, as I've stated. He was raised in a non conformist and affluent family, with parents who love him (though my mom was bipolar, so I do have some experience with mental health issues, between my mom, my brother, and my MIL). Anyway, my point is that though he is not living the life he was raised to live, he's living the life God gave him, and I can't imagine him wanting to off himself, though I'm sure he's gone through some really tough times.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think it's a very slippery slope because of the mental health issues. She has many - depression, autism, and borderline personality disorder. She ain't right in the head, that's for sure, so how can she be of sound mind to make such a profound decision?
Yep. None of those cronic diagnoses would justifiably warrant any medical professional that she, in such a suggestive and receptive state, should permanently off herself or anyone else for that matter and declare her beyond all hope.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I think it's a very slippery slope because of the mental health issues. She has many - depression, autism, and borderline personality disorder. She ain't right in the head, that's for sure, so how can she be of sound mind to make such a profound decision?

I have severe anxiety, depression, and BPD. Can I make no decisions on my own, because I am not of sound mind?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
That's why doctors should stay out of this type of decision making and not telling her she's irrevocably beyond all help and healing.

Is that what they are saying? That doesn't have to be the case with euthanasia. Like a consultation (many/years worth) before gender transitioning.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Yep. None of those cronic diagnoses would justifiably warrant any medical professional that she, in such a suggestive and receptive state, should permanently off herself or anyone else for that matter and declare her beyond all hope.

If it's her decision it absolutely is fine. Suggestive and receptive, who are you to think she hasn't thought it through completely.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If it's her decision it absolutely is fine. Suggestive and receptive, who are you to think she hasn't thought it through completely.
Like you said it's her decision and hers alone.

It shouldn't ever be encouraged on by so called health professionals that can manipulate and reinforce that specific decision however. They should be there to help at all costs , not plain give up.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Yep. None of those cronic diagnoses would justifiably warrant any medical professional that she, in such a suggestive and receptive state, should permanently off herself or anyone else for that matter and declare her beyond all hope.

Article from ncbi, nlm, nih

"Persons with mental disorders who are resistant to evidence‐based treatment can be referred to as patients with severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI). Some patients with SPMI develop a strong wish for assisted dying. Switzerland has the longest history of non‐medicalized assisted dying, which is considered a civil right even in non‐pathological situations. Public debate in Switzerland about the issue of suffering in the context of assisted dying is current and ongoing. The Swiss Academy of Medical Sciences recently revised its end‐of‐life policy and specified intolerable suffering due to severe illness or functional limitations (and acknowledged as such by a physician) as a core criterion for assisted dying. We argue that suffering is a necessary but insufficient condition for assisted dying, and that the criteria should also include decision‐making capacity and refractoriness of suffering. We further contend that suffering is a subjective experience that can only be quantified by the patient and cannot be objectively compared across individuals. Some patients with SPMI and refractory suffering who maintain decision‐making capacity will meet the criteria for assisted dying. We advocate for palliative psychiatric care that relinquishes any disease‐modifying therapy, accepts limited survival chances, and focuses on measures that enhance the patient's quality of life, understood in a very broad sense beyond only health‐related quality of life. This approach should also relieve suffering as much as possible while remaining open to the possibility of assisted dying following conscientious assessment of the criteria"

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Article from ncbi, nlm, nih

"Persons with mental disorders who are resistant to evidence‐based treatment can be referred to as patients with severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI). Some patients with SPMI develop a strong wish for assisted dying. Switzerland has the longest history of non‐medicalized assisted dying, which is considered a civil right even in non‐pathological situations. Public debate in Switzerland about the issue of suffering in the context of assisted dying is current and ongoing. The Swiss Academy of Medical Sciences recently revised its end‐of‐life policy and specified intolerable suffering due to severe illness or functional limitations (and acknowledged as such by a physician) as a core criterion for assisted dying. We argue that suffering is a necessary but insufficient condition for assisted dying, and that the criteria should also include decision‐making capacity and refractoriness of suffering. We further contend that suffering is a subjective experience that can only be quantified by the patient and cannot be objectively compared across individuals. Some patients with SPMI and refractory suffering who maintain decision‐making capacity will meet the criteria for assisted dying. We advocate for palliative psychiatric care that relinquishes any disease‐modifying therapy, accepts limited survival chances, and focuses on measures that enhance the patient's quality of life, understood in a very broad sense beyond only health‐related quality of life. This approach should also relieve suffering as much as possible while remaining open to the possibility of assisted dying following conscientious assessment of the criteria"

Assisted dying is another matter called songenshi in Japan and I find it acceptable and ethical.

This case is not assisted dying however.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Assisted dying is another matter called songenshi in Japan and I find it acceptable and ethical.

This case is not assisted dying however.
The first paragraph is the same as this thread topic.

"Persons with mental disorders who are resistant to evidence‐based treatment can be referred to as patients with severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI). Some patients with SPMI develop a strong wish for assisted dying."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The first paragraph is the same as this thread topic.

"Persons with mental disorders who are resistant to evidence‐based treatment can be referred to as patients with severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI). Some patients with SPMI develop a strong wish for assisted dying."
The only mental cases worthy ought to be associated with ongoing brain degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's or Dementia ect. that will eventually lead to death anyways.

Not personality disorders or other cronic non life threatening conditions.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The first paragraph is the same as this thread topic.

"Persons with mental disorders who are resistant to evidence‐based treatment can be referred to as patients with severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI). Some patients with SPMI develop a strong wish for assisted dying."
The only mental cases worthy ought to be associated with ongoing brain degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's or Dementia ect. that will eventually lead to death anyways.

Not personality disorders or other cronic non life threatening conditions.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Assisted dying is another matter called songenshi in Japan and I find it acceptable and ethical.

This case is not assisted dying however.
Euthanasia is assisted dying.

Assisted dying can take two forms: euthanasia or assisted suicide. Broadly, euthanasia describes the situation where the person who is asking for assistance to die has someone else take the action that leads to their unnatural death (like injecting a lethal drug), and assisted suicide is when the person is prescribed drugs that they must take themselves in order to die.

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Euthanasia is assisted dying.

Assisted dying can take two forms: euthanasia or assisted suicide. Broadly, euthanasia describes the situation where the person who is asking for assistance to die has someone else take the action that leads to their unnatural death (like injecting a lethal drug), and assisted suicide is when the person is prescribed drugs that they must take themselves in order to die.

No it's not. Assisted dying is hastening ones ongoing death that is already in process.
 
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