Jayhawker Soule (he/him)

[Rival]

I physically winced when I read your post. It came across to me as hostile and inconsiderate of the feelings or opinions of others. I don't identify as such and even I took exception to the tone of the post.

I apologise for that.

I tried to just be direct about my beliefs.

I'm not sure what I could have done otherwise?

 

[Revoltingest]

You haven't free choice in everything and asking someone's pronouns is a garbage way of reinforcing the idea that they can be chosen. You choose them by how you refer to the person, and others choose yours.

Sometimes sex / gender isn't obvious.
I won't choose for such a person.

This documentary might help.

 

[Rival]

Sometimes sex / gender isn't obvious.
I won't choose for such a person.

If it's not obvious there's a neuter 'he' I use. Some people dislike it but it's the tradition.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I apologise for that.

I tried to just be direct about my beliefs.

Thanks for clarifying. I've known you to be blunt from time to time, and as someone who can come across equally as blunt, I can respect that, but I've never known you to be mean.

 

[Revoltingest]

If it's not obvious there's a neuter 'he' I use. Some people dislike it but it's the tradition.

"He" is neuter? Weird.
Not a tradition I've ever heard of.
If gender / sex isn't known, I wouldn't decide for them.

 

[Rival]

"He" is neuter? Weird.
Not a tradition I've ever heard of.
If gender / sex isn't known, I wouldn't decide for them.

He has been used as a neuter for centuries.

Yes, you do get to decide.

 

[Revoltingest]

He has been used as a neuter for centuries.

Perhaps it's a British thing.
I've never encountered such use here.
Calling a woman "he" would be highly offensive.

Yes, you do get to decide.

I can decide someone else's sex / gender?
On what basis should I do this?

 

[Rival]

I can decide someone else's sex / gender?
On what basis should I do this?

This is becoming rather tedious.

You look.

Your sex is chosen for you by biology and reinforced by society.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is becoming rather tedious.

This is RF.
Tedium abounds.

You look.

I can't inspect genitalia.
If someone's face & build are mannish,
they're coiffed, dressed, & affected as
female which should I choose.

Your sex is chosen for you by biology and reinforced by society.

If one's brain & body are different sexes / genders,
or if one is inter-sex, which has biology chosen?

 

[Rival]

This is RF.
Tedium abounds.

I can't inspect genitalia.
If someone's face & build are mannish,
they're coiffed, dressed, & affected as
female which should I choose.

If one's brain & body are different sexes / genders,
or if one is inter-sex, which has biology chosen?

You're making this way harder than it is for 99% of people.

A man is a he, a woman is a she. I've been here 28 years and rarely struggled.

 

[JustGeorge]

There are limits and I think you'll have the like:

There aren’t many strict rules about baby names in the UK, but some names stretch the limit. Names that are racist or considered harmful to the child could be illegal and banned in some parts of the UK. Names that are restricted include names that:

• Are impossible to pronounce
• Include numbers, symbols, or punctuation marks (not including hyphens or apostrophes)
• Are considered offensive, vulgar, or blasphemous by the deed poll service
• Fraudulent (inferring the child has a rank, title, or inherited honour)

Names that do not include at least one first name and one surname will not be accepted.

UK Laws For Baby Names - UK Deed Poll Office

Just had a baby? Here are the important laws that you need to know regarding naming your child.

www.ukdeedpolloffice.org

I imagine the same applies for adults choosing.

It looks like swear words and unpronounceable symbols are out in most states.

There's still a lot of wiggle room.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're making this way harder than it is for 99% of people.

99+% of the time it's easy to discern the correct pronoun.
But the OP addresses that less than 1% of cases that pose
difficulties.

A man is a he, a woman is a she. I've been here 28 years and rarely struggled.

I run with a more diverse crowd.
And I've been alive more than double your years.
Still, it's rarely something I encounter.
It's mostly an internet thing to me.

 

[Rival]

Still, it's rarely something I encounter.
It's mostly an internet thing to me.

I agree.

 

[Revoltingest]

It looks like swear words and unpronounceable symbols are out in most states.

There's still a lot of wiggle room.

A friend's daughter's middle name is "Dynamite".
My bro-in-law's middle name is "Fang".
I once worked with a guy who had only letters for a first & middle name.
"G" & "P". We called him "Jeep".
The government called him "Gonly Ponly".
(This resulted from "G only" & "P only".

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree.

Still, I'm so progressive that I readily
anticipate & accommodate anyone's
pronoun preferences.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've never seen confusion of whether or not one is talking about a person or group due to the use of they/them. Context matters.

I have seen it a few times. Ironically, most of them have been at the LGBT center here. There and other places it revolves around a lack of clarity over whether it's a singular or plural form. This just isn't always clear.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Still, I'm so progressive that I readily
anticipate & accommodate anyone's
pronoun preferences.

Yeah. Overall it's really not an issue. It's really just the nitty gritty of grammar and examples that aren't easily clarified.
I personally don't really get it, but with this to my best observations I can just get over myself. It doesn't hurt anyone to call someone a they or use it a placeholder for something unknown or generalized because it's WAY easier to do that than rewrite a sentence to drop it altogether.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You don't choose your place in society, it's chosen for you. Just like your name, where you are born, what sex you are and what your eye colour is.

Good thing I never believed that. I would have given up on life a very long time ago accepting I'm a piece of **** who deserves nothing good. Society told me I can't, and in response I grew a perfectionist chip on my shoulder.
Where we are born? That's a fun one. Many people born and raised in Missouri have been rude to me because I don't know anything about the state don't pronounce it like they expect. It's actually unfortunate Missouri is on my birth certificate because for me it's nothing more tham where I was thrown into this world and spent maybe a few months. But every now and then I'll realize something about myself that is something I do because I grew up in Indiana. I love 80s rock and Godsmack, I have a very strong preference for cheese sauce with breadsticks, I eat a lot of popcorn and I work circles around my coworkers on an off day.
What's the obsession with where people where born?

He has been used as a neuter for centuries.

True. I always thought it was a dumb tradition because, obviously, women are not men and it shows women have not been worth equal consideration for centuries (yes, I literally thought that as a child, before the internet, before political correctness, perhaps from taking in different points of view from being excluded and bullied as a child).

You look.

It is sometimes impossible to tell. Not often, but I've come across enough people and got it wrong that I just quit using male/female terms for customer service. This way I'm never wrong, I never cause awkward or unpleasant and embarassing moments and still including the other formalities nobody cares. I'd be surprised if anyone even noticed it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah. Overall it's really not an issue. It's really just the nitty gritty of grammar and examples that aren't easily clarified.
I personally don't really get it, but with this to my best observations I can just get over myself. It doesn't hurt anyone to call someone a they or use it a placeholder for something unknown or generalized because it's WAY easier to do that than rewrite a sentence to drop it altogether.

In my standard contracts, I'd always use the
masculine to refer to others. It stated that
pronouns refer to either gender. I wrote
them before "they" resurged in common use.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You do understand the purpose of pronouns, yes?

Hav a great week ...