Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, aside from JS's brief dismissal, is no one going to point out the blatantly wrong translation for "elohim"?
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Jehovah
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It was already brought to their attention. But there is no truth to JW unless it fits their JW broken cistern.
Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
"Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים
is a grammatically singular or plural noun for 'god' or 'gods' in both modern and ancient Hebrew language."Elohim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים
Elohim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
AMEN...
Psalm 82
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (notice little g or Elohim)
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods (Elohim); and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
...and yet you keep copy-and-pasting things which state it derives from "to swear", without evidence.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
"Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים
Elohim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is also used for Judges, and people in charge, as has already been pointed out.
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph: The Elohiym/Magistrates/Judges stand to assembly before El (Almighty); the Elohiym He to judge.
Psa 82:2 For how long will you judge unjustly, and by reason of, advance the wicked?
Psa 82:3 Defend the weak and bereaved, needy and destitute, be righteous!
Psa 82:4 Deliver the weak and destitute from the hand of the wicked.
Psa 82:5 Of a truth, they observe and don't understand. In misery they walk. Rotten is the whole foundation.
Psa 82:6 I said Elohiym/Judges thou are; and sons elevated above all others!
Psa 82:7 Nevertheless as human beings, shall die, and of a certainty, as all leaders, fall.
Psa 82:8 Arise o Elohiym/Judges, execute judgment on the land/nation; for you shall inherit the whole nation/people.
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The name of God Elohim The only name used in the first chapter of Genesis, is GOD, or Elohim.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i think you are missing the point. You claime that Elohim is the 'Name' of God.
Elohim is not a name, its a 'noun' .... many different people are called 'Elohim' in the scriptures.
No i did not miss the point. You are so hung up with your religion you never see the truth.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
I know someone here who fits that description :ignore:
Who shares your beliefs Benoni? How many are following you in this religion you seem so hung up on?
Is it a direct revelation thing? Does the Holy Spirit talk to you directly?
Have you ever known a time since Israel was a pup that God has ever had a one man band?
Are you single-handedly going to "preach the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations"? (Matt 24:14)
Do you attend a church? With whom do you meet "to incite to love and fine works"? (Heb 10:34, 35) Who are your brothers?
I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who believes what you believe. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
Elohiym is not a name of God - which several people have now pointed out to you.
It is a plural - which is why the image of the Elohiym is MALE and FEMALE.
Elohiym are Gods and Goddesses, Judges, Royals, etc.
We also have our first use of YHVH Elohiym - YHVH of the Elohiym - in Gen 2:4.
Other “gods” are called Elohiym – and they each have an actual name.
And Jacob said to his house, and to all those with him, Put away the strange Elohiym (Gods) in your midst, and purify yourselves, and change your clothing.
Exo 23:24 You shall not bow down to their Elohiym (Gods), and you shall not serve them. And you shall not do according to their works. But tearing you shall tear them down, and smashing you shall smash their standing pillars.
Exo 22:8 If the thief is not found, the master of the house shall be brought to the Elohiym (judges), to decide whether or not he put out his hand to his neighbor's goods.
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Read verse 6 very carefully....
6 I have said, Ye are gods (Elohim)
who are gods? who are Elohim?
It's not odd if you have ever heard about the man Noah.
The New World Translation Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses translate Exodus 3:14 So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose* to Become.”* And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’”
The old version said it this way "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." And he added: This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE' has sent me to you.'"
Seems the Jehovah's Witnesses have changed God's Name.
I think Abraham recognized the I AM as The God of him and the highest ONE. But The Creator is God of all the living. All those before Abraham, during Abraham and after Abraham. That is the name God made known to Moses.
God does not "become what he chooses". God does not change. From the new NWT: Malachi3:6 “For I am Jehovah; I do not change.* And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish. 7 From the days of your forefathers you have turned aside from my regulations and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says Jehovah of armies.
From the old NW: Malachi 3:6 "For I am Jehovah; I have not changed...."
Do I have to tell you that to become means to change. How doesn't it please?
I think what the word hayah (that is translated "become") means, is the Earth will become whatever it will become by God Almighty. He is telling Moses that everything that is and was and that will become is all related to THE I AM. And it is. With יְהוָ֖ה Earth will be a paradise. But without it won't. That is what "Jehovah" means.
The old version said it this way "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." And he added: This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE' has sent me to you.'"
Seems the Jehovah's Witnesses have changed God's Name.
I think Abraham recognized the I AM as The God of him and the highest ONE. But The Creator is God of all the living. All those before Abraham, during Abraham and after Abraham. That is the name God made known to Moses.
God does not "become what he chooses". God does not change. From the new NWT: Malachi3:6 “For I am Jehovah; I do not change.* And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish. 7 From the days of your forefathers you have turned aside from my regulations and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says Jehovah of armies.
From the old NW: Malachi 3:6 "For I am Jehovah; I have not changed...."
Do I have to tell you that to become means to change. How doesn't it please?
I think what the word hayah (that is translated "become") means, is the Earth will become whatever it will become by God Almighty. He is telling Moses that everything that is and was and that will become is all related to THE I AM. And it is. With יְהוָ֖ה Earth will be a paradise. But without it won't. That is what "Jehovah" means.
To know what Jehovah means is worthless and dangerous. "Knowledge puffs up" Strong's Greek: 5448. ?????? (phusioó) -- to puff or blow up
God is not what will save You.
יְהוָ֖ה is WHO will HELP You.
How? Not by knowing יְהוָ֖ה. Help comes by knowing Jesus or Yehoshua.
Matthew 11:27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
The governing body presumes to know the Father and The Son and then they presume to reveal THEM to the World. But Jesus said it is he who reveals The Father to whomever he will. The Father is known by the son and the son reveals himself and The Father to only the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who have not existed too long, I guess. BUT THEN THEY REVEAL GOD TO THE WHOLE WORLD. It is their primary objective. I know that for a fact.
God is not what will save You.
יְהוָ֖ה is WHO will HELP You.
How? Not by knowing יְהוָ֖ה. Help comes by knowing Jesus or Yehoshua.
Matthew 11:27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
The governing body presumes to know the Father and The Son and then they presume to reveal THEM to the World. But Jesus said it is he who reveals The Father to whomever he will. The Father is known by the son and the son reveals himself and The Father to only the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who have not existed too long, I guess. BUT THEN THEY REVEAL GOD TO THE WHOLE WORLD. It is their primary objective. I know that for a fact.
I only believe in VERY few traditional teaching of mans religious system. Carnal/religious man places the truth in their religious box and refuses to see anything else. Truth cannot be controlled by JW or another religion for truth is progressive revelation and not worn out wine skins of human traditions .That is why the Jews during Jesus day were so blind. Religion is great for new Christians for Babylon is a golden cup in the handoff the Lord. I want you to get this very clear because we approach truth totally different,
Genesis is the foundation for the whole Bible. But lets look at 1 Corinthians 15:45 first, And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Yes God formed man into a living soul but that is only half of the story; the first half is written in Genesis before the fall which tells us who Adam was before the fall.
Both Adams were made from God, in His image and Likeness; the first Adam had to fall or there was no need for a second Adam; that is why God created him innocent; God set Adam up to fall . The second Adam (Christ) matured to adulthood and overcame.
I understand the traditional teaching that God rested on the seventh day and this is true; but if you look at the content and context of the sixth and seventh day in God's Word and reject the traditional teaching of man God did far more then fall asleep on the seventh day. God never rest like people rest.
Gen 1:26 And God said; Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Let me tell you being created in Gods image and likeness is not a small thing, There was no fallen sinful nature, in Adam, there was no death or the carnal mind. Adam was a son of God and for this reason I believe Adam was elohim or us as we see written in Genesis
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. . .
" Gen. 1:26. This was Gods covenant with man. This was His purpose for making man to have a visible expression of Himself!"
God caused all of humanity to fall this is a scriptural fact.
Benoni, when do you intend to stop preaching and take responsibility for the nonsense written above? On what grounds do you claim that 'elohim means "to swear"?
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
It's not odd if you have ever heard about the man Noah.
Is that who you think he is?
You do realize that the patriarchs like Noah, Job and Abraham were those who led their entire families in worship and all existed before the nation of Israel was formed?
After that no one worshipped God by themselves.