You keep telling us that to believe in them is the way of salvation but on the other hand they are not infallible. You are putting your ever lasting well being in the hands of men that sometimes do not know what they are doing. It that wise?
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the context is always about our dependence on Gods word for our views and ideals.
When we move away from Gods Word as the basis of our teachings, it becomes 'independent thinking'.... this is what we should never do. Anyone who seeks to develop a close relationship with God would need to rely heavily on Gods Word as the basis for all that they think and feel about the world around them.
Only those who think and feel the way that God does can draw close to him.
Job 1:6 6 Now the day came when the sons of the true God* entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.
Shak34
Active Member
And I am getting rather tired of imperfection being an excuse for bad choices/actions. Even my parents use that excuse. No matter how badly a person gets hurts or damaged it is blown it off as no big deal because everyone is imperfect. That might be a little snarky, unfortunately that us my experience of being hurt by this organization speaking. And that has been the answer given to me by every witness including my parents: imperfection.
I wasn't attacking Anthony Morris, I was quoting him and questioning his idea of independent thinking being bad. And in his independent thinking bit I heard nothing about feeding spiritually from other sources. But he did bring up cheating on a spouse and implied that independent thinking lead to it.
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i'd be more concerned for the people who have so little going on in their life that they need to slander the names and reputations of faithful men serving at bethel.
very sad. They need a hobby
GawdAweful
Pseudo-Philosopher
In the book "Is there a Creator Who Cares About You?" by the JW's on page 9 it states "...that one who possesses 'intellectual honesty' is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true' and 'to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available.'"
This is obviously aimed at others researching the JW religion. I would hope that if a JW 'scrutinizes' their beliefs they would not be looked down upon by the rest of the religion if they happen to disagree with some doctrines as taught by their leaders.
This is obviously aimed at others researching the JW religion. I would hope that if a JW 'scrutinizes' their beliefs they would not be looked down upon by the rest of the religion if they happen to disagree with some doctrines as taught by their leaders.
i'd be more concerned for the people who have so little going on in their life that they need to slander the names and reputations of faithful men serving at bethel.
very sad. They need a hobby
OK. Repeating what someone says and giving an opinion of what was said is NOT slander. Calling someone's opinion of words slander is slander because you are calling a person a slanderer. Please learn the difference between words and people.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
well you know that we view Christ to be our leader... and if we reject his teachings as found in the bible, then we are rejecting our faith.
What we do scrutinize is that our teachings are based on the scriptures and in harmony with Gods will and purposes. The brothers provide us with all the scriptural evidence backing up all teachings which is unlike many churches who simply dish out doctrines which dont have scriptural backing.
The teachers among us do ensure they are teaching according to the bible... there is no room for independent thinking among any of us.
I think it would be better for someone taking the weighty task of teaching another to admit it is his own opinion of the word and his opinion proving wrong than it is for a teacher to claim he is teaching God's Word correctly and proving wrong.
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach condemnation for all teachers teaching The Bible differently than the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses but the Jehovah's Witnesses claim their way is the only way and that it is GOD's way.
To claim something is one's own and it proving false is human. To claim something is God's opinion and it proving false is what?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
And you think that's something to be proud of!
Absolutely!
Independent thinking moves us away from our Creator.
How sad that you think God doesn't want us to use our rational minds. What a waste.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
And your ways are not my ways, declares Jehovah.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So my ways are higher than your ways
And my thoughts than your thoughts.
But you do not believe this.....
Is it about everyone BUT the Jehovah's Witnesses?
Shak34
Active Member
How do you test the spirits to make sure they come from god if you don't have independent thinking?
Seven million and counting.....
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
what happened when Eve used her own, or what she though was her own, rational mind?
We ended up in the wilderness.
'Independent thought' means to think and reason on things differently to the way God thinks and reasons. To go against his standards of right and wrong, to reject his moral standards for those that you create in your own 'rational' mind.
Why can't people base their ideal, standards and morals on Gods word rather then on their own desires? Whats the 'waste' in doing that???
Eve absolutely did not use independant thought. She was sharing Satan's thoughts.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
use the bible as the basis of our views.
If an expression is presented to us, we test it by looking at what the scriptures state in relation to that subject.
The bible is the bases for Gods truth. My ideas are irrelevant.
It is not on God's Word one is based. It is on God's will an obedient one is based. God's will is universal. God's word is a book. A book in many languages. A book that needs reading comprehension. A book that has been translated and explained by uh "imperfect men".